Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
Just remember if its fonts on top of fonts, break each layer separately and then merge. Otherwise your bottom font may be cropped by the top fonts bounding box. Best, Karl On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Ah that's right! Well there you go. Best, Karl On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Don Talcott wrote: No need to outline in Illustrator. In Flash, select the text, go to Modify/Break Apart. Do this twice, and you will have outline of text. On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Looking at your swf, my suggestion would be to take the copy that is not input fields and turn them to outlines in Illustrator then put them back in the layout. Flash handles vector really well. Not much size increase for mathematical equations. Then only embed the necessary glyphs for the input files. Best, Karl On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: Every static glyph for every font face and weight/style is also embedded. The only way to really reduce the size of those fonts is to embed fewer glyphs. One strategy might be to consolidate the number of fonts you are using. If you are using 4 typefaces, try to reduce it to 3 or even 2. That'll probably have the biggest reduction. I've never really tried it, but you could try editing the font names so that they are shorter in the font embed screen, then make sure all your text fields are set to those new embedded names (such as a, b, c and d). I'm not sure how much space that would save, but it might get you a few bytes. And maybe it's obvous, but make sure you aren't including XMP metadata or debug symbols (uncheck both boxes in the publish settings) - that's a couple of KB. Kevin N. On 6/26/2012 4:59 PM, Tristan wrote: I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders DON TALCOTT 316 Greenwood Avenue Decatur, Georgia 30030 404.538.1642 dtalc...@mindspring.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
Ah that's right! Well there you go. Best, Karl On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Don Talcott wrote: No need to outline in Illustrator. In Flash, select the text, go to Modify/Break Apart. Do this twice, and you will have outline of text. On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Looking at your swf, my suggestion would be to take the copy that is not input fields and turn them to outlines in Illustrator then put them back in the layout. Flash handles vector really well. Not much size increase for mathematical equations. Then only embed the necessary glyphs for the input files. Best, Karl On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: Every static glyph for every font face and weight/style is also embedded. The only way to really reduce the size of those fonts is to embed fewer glyphs. One strategy might be to consolidate the number of fonts you are using. If you are using 4 typefaces, try to reduce it to 3 or even 2. That'll probably have the biggest reduction. I've never really tried it, but you could try editing the font names so that they are shorter in the font embed screen, then make sure all your text fields are set to those new embedded names (such as a, b, c and d). I'm not sure how much space that would save, but it might get you a few bytes. And maybe it's obvous, but make sure you aren't including XMP metadata or debug symbols (uncheck both boxes in the publish settings) - that's a couple of KB. Kevin N. On 6/26/2012 4:59 PM, Tristan wrote: I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders DON TALCOTT 316 Greenwood Avenue Decatur, Georgia 30030 404.538.1642 dtalc...@mindspring.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
No need to outline in Illustrator. In Flash, select the text, go to Modify/Break Apart. Do this twice, and you will have outline of text. On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: > Looking at your swf, my suggestion would be to take the copy that is not > input fields and turn them to outlines in Illustrator then put them back in > the layout. > Flash handles vector really well. Not much size increase for mathematical > equations. Then only embed the necessary glyphs for the input files. > > Best, > Karl > > On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: > >> Every static glyph for every font face and weight/style is also embedded. >> The only way to really reduce the size of those fonts is to embed fewer >> glyphs. One strategy might be to consolidate the number of fonts you are >> using. >> >> If you are using 4 typefaces, try to reduce it to 3 or even 2. That'll >> probably have the biggest reduction. >> >> I've never really tried it, but you could try editing the font names so that >> they are shorter in the font embed screen, then make sure all your text >> fields are set to those new embedded names (such as a, b, c and d). I'm not >> sure how much space that would save, but it might get you a few bytes. >> >> And maybe it's obvous, but make sure you aren't including XMP metadata or >> debug symbols (uncheck both boxes in the publish settings) - that's a couple >> of KB. >> >> Kevin N. >> >> >> On 6/26/2012 4:59 PM, Tristan wrote: >>> I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. >> >> >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Karl DeSaulniers > Design Drumm > http://designdrumm.com > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders DON TALCOTT 316 Greenwood Avenue Decatur, Georgia 30030 404.538.1642 dtalc...@mindspring.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
Looking at your swf, my suggestion would be to take the copy that is not input fields and turn them to outlines in Illustrator then put them back in the layout. Flash handles vector really well. Not much size increase for mathematical equations. Then only embed the necessary glyphs for the input files. Best, Karl On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Kevin Newman wrote: Every static glyph for every font face and weight/style is also embedded. The only way to really reduce the size of those fonts is to embed fewer glyphs. One strategy might be to consolidate the number of fonts you are using. If you are using 4 typefaces, try to reduce it to 3 or even 2. That'll probably have the biggest reduction. I've never really tried it, but you could try editing the font names so that they are shorter in the font embed screen, then make sure all your text fields are set to those new embedded names (such as a, b, c and d). I'm not sure how much space that would save, but it might get you a few bytes. And maybe it's obvous, but make sure you aren't including XMP metadata or debug symbols (uncheck both boxes in the publish settings) - that's a couple of KB. Kevin N. On 6/26/2012 4:59 PM, Tristan wrote: I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
Every static glyph for every font face and weight/style is also embedded. The only way to really reduce the size of those fonts is to embed fewer glyphs. One strategy might be to consolidate the number of fonts you are using. If you are using 4 typefaces, try to reduce it to 3 or even 2. That'll probably have the biggest reduction. I've never really tried it, but you could try editing the font names so that they are shorter in the font embed screen, then make sure all your text fields are set to those new embedded names (such as a, b, c and d). I'm not sure how much space that would save, but it might get you a few bytes. And maybe it's obvous, but make sure you aren't including XMP metadata or debug symbols (uncheck both boxes in the publish settings) - that's a couple of KB. Kevin N. On 6/26/2012 4:59 PM, Tristan wrote: I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
At least one of the fonts seems to have a huge outline - have you generated a "size report"? You might be better off breaking apart static textfields that use a lot of the font bytes. On 6/26/12 3:59 PM, "Tristan" wrote: I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > When you embedded the fonts, did you embed the entire font, or just the > languages you need? If you embed the whole font, it's going to be big, and > you might not need Tibetan or Khmer. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Tristan wrote: > > > Hello all. > > > > I am trying to optimize a swf and I've picked apart everything. When i > run > > it through some shareware Flash Optimizer program it shows that it's made > > 70% fonts. > > > > Can anyone recommend a better optimizer or something i can do about the > > fonts. The font size seems high to me for what the swf is. > > > > http://cleargraphix.com/cg_files/demos/Livewell_BMI_728x90.swf > > > > I might just be stuck I suppose. Maybe everything really is as tight as > it > > could be. Trying to just shave off 1-2K to get it below 39K. I have to > > render as flash player 9 AS2. I'm using CS6 > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks, T > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Erik Mattheis Digital Account Supervisor M 612 377 2272 E ematth...@webershandwick.com W www.webershandwick.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
Using SoThink SWF Decompiler I examined your SWF and found 4 font items as follows: 'font 4' - containing the following characters: . 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 B C I M Y [ ] a c d e f g h I k l m n o r s t u v w y 'font 12' - containing the following characters: H O U W Y [ a b d e f g h I l n o r s t u v w y 'font 23' - containing the following characters: B M I 'font 24' - containing the following characters: . B F I M a d e f g I l n o r s t u x y Looks like there's more embedded in there than you first thought. Hope that helps. C: -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Tristan Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:00 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > When you embedded the fonts, did you embed the entire font, or just > the languages you need? If you embed the whole font, it's going to be > big, and you might not need Tibetan or Khmer. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Tristan wrote: > > > Hello all. > > > > I am trying to optimize a swf and I've picked apart everything. When > > i > run > > it through some shareware Flash Optimizer program it shows that it's > > made 70% fonts. > > > > Can anyone recommend a better optimizer or something i can do about > > the fonts. The font size seems high to me for what the swf is. > > > > http://cleargraphix.com/cg_files/demos/Livewell_BMI_728x90.swf > > > > I might just be stuck I suppose. Maybe everything really is as tight > > as > it > > could be. Trying to just shave off 1-2K to get it below 39K. I have > > to render as flash player 9 AS2. I'm using CS6 > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks, T > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
I did not embed any fonts but the numerals and period for the input box. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > When you embedded the fonts, did you embed the entire font, or just the > languages you need? If you embed the whole font, it's going to be big, and > you might not need Tibetan or Khmer. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Tristan wrote: > > > Hello all. > > > > I am trying to optimize a swf and I've picked apart everything. When i > run > > it through some shareware Flash Optimizer program it shows that it's made > > 70% fonts. > > > > Can anyone recommend a better optimizer or something i can do about the > > fonts. The font size seems high to me for what the swf is. > > > > http://cleargraphix.com/cg_files/demos/Livewell_BMI_728x90.swf > > > > I might just be stuck I suppose. Maybe everything really is as tight as > it > > could be. Trying to just shave off 1-2K to get it below 39K. I have to > > render as flash player 9 AS2. I'm using CS6 > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks, T > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
When you embedded the fonts, did you embed the entire font, or just the languages you need? If you embed the whole font, it's going to be big, and you might not need Tibetan or Khmer. Cordially, Kerry Thompson On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Tristan wrote: > Hello all. > > I am trying to optimize a swf and I've picked apart everything. When i run > it through some shareware Flash Optimizer program it shows that it's made > 70% fonts. > > Can anyone recommend a better optimizer or something i can do about the > fonts. The font size seems high to me for what the swf is. > > http://cleargraphix.com/cg_files/demos/Livewell_BMI_728x90.swf > > I might just be stuck I suppose. Maybe everything really is as tight as it > could be. Trying to just shave off 1-2K to get it below 39K. I have to > render as flash player 9 AS2. I'm using CS6 > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, T > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Fonts taking up too much space
Hello all. I am trying to optimize a swf and I've picked apart everything. When i run it through some shareware Flash Optimizer program it shows that it's made 70% fonts. Can anyone recommend a better optimizer or something i can do about the fonts. The font size seems high to me for what the swf is. http://cleargraphix.com/cg_files/demos/Livewell_BMI_728x90.swf I might just be stuck I suppose. Maybe everything really is as tight as it could be. Trying to just shave off 1-2K to get it below 39K. I have to render as flash player 9 AS2. I'm using CS6 Any help appreciated. Thanks, T ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
