Re: [Flashcoders] Shared fonts nightmare
That's even better then. :-) I actually don't know where the problem is, with embedding or with authoring - but as you said, it should be easy to figure it out, and if it's embedding that's the problem, then the workaround is pretty easy too (using two different external libs for the fonts - 1 PC, and 1 Mac). Kevin N. elibol wrote: Nice idea. You think just one shared library would work? Since the problem is that each platform renders the same font differently, the presentation needs to be compiled in the same platform it was designed in, but the source should have no effect on the presentation; atleast none that pertain from the compiler. This approach is analogous to how the same font on both platforms render differently. If the process of embeding the font is the source of the problem, it can be determined by observing the effects of not embeding the culprit font, however, I'm under the impression that this occurs at author time. If it's the case, then you would have to seperate the libraries. I had this problem when I was freelancing with a company that had mac users, and if my memory is right, then the fonts were shifted at author time. Just tossing in my 2 cents =] M. On 4/28/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just posted something similar a few days ago. To take care of the font shifting you can make sure to publish the files with the fonts on the system they were designed on. So for example if you did the design on the pc, then the swf and the shared lib with the fonts should also be published on the pc. If you did the design on the mac, then the final output should also be on the mac. I suppose you could end up with a problem where some files were designed on the mac, and some on then pc, in this case you may never be able to get them to line up right all the time using the same publishing computer - so you could do a comprimise by making sure all PC designed flas are finally published on a PC and use a PC fonts shared lib, while all the Mac designed flas are published on the Mac, and use a Mac fonts shared lib. It's suboptimal, but it's better than 50K on every file. By the way I have no experience with fonts in shared libraries, so while conceptually this solution should work, it might be overkill, since just making sure to publish the final swf on the platform they were layed out in, might fix the problem. In our environment, I do programming on the PC, and the designers do layout on the Mac, so after they do the layout, I have to program it, then send it back to them for final output to get the fonts to line up. I'm not sure how to work in the shared font libs, but I would bet that using two different libs (one PC and one Mac) would fix it. Kevin N. Serge Jespers wrote: > Hey guyz, > > I'm working on this project that has a shared library with some > movieclips and fonts... > It are those fonts that cause quite a bit of stress... > > The designer on this project is on a PC and I work on a Mac... Not > that that should matter but I'm taking a wild guess this is the > problem... > > The situation... Both his PC and my Mac have all the fonts... Same TTF > files. However, if I use the shared fonts in the swf on the server, > they come out looking like this: > http://webkitchen.be/downloads/sharedfonts.png > Not really what was intended... > > If I make that library again, and use my shared lib instead of the one > on the server, the text comes out right but is shifted down by quite a > few pixels causing the design to be screwed up... > > So yeah... Should we just drop the shared fonts and thereby add a some > 50k to each swf? Or is there something we may not have thought about? > > Thanks for your help, > Serge > > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Shared fonts nightmare
Nice idea. You think just one shared library would work? Since the problem is that each platform renders the same font differently, the presentation needs to be compiled in the same platform it was designed in, but the source should have no effect on the presentation; atleast none that pertain from the compiler. This approach is analogous to how the same font on both platforms render differently. If the process of embeding the font is the source of the problem, it can be determined by observing the effects of not embeding the culprit font, however, I'm under the impression that this occurs at author time. If it's the case, then you would have to seperate the libraries. I had this problem when I was freelancing with a company that had mac users, and if my memory is right, then the fonts were shifted at author time. Just tossing in my 2 cents =] M. On 4/28/06, Kevin Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just posted something similar a few days ago. To take care of the font shifting you can make sure to publish the files with the fonts on the system they were designed on. So for example if you did the design on the pc, then the swf and the shared lib with the fonts should also be published on the pc. If you did the design on the mac, then the final output should also be on the mac. I suppose you could end up with a problem where some files were designed on the mac, and some on then pc, in this case you may never be able to get them to line up right all the time using the same publishing computer - so you could do a comprimise by making sure all PC designed flas are finally published on a PC and use a PC fonts shared lib, while all the Mac designed flas are published on the Mac, and use a Mac fonts shared lib. It's suboptimal, but it's better than 50K on every file. By the way I have no experience with fonts in shared libraries, so while conceptually this solution should work, it might be overkill, since just making sure to publish the final swf on the platform they were layed out in, might fix the problem. In our environment, I do programming on the PC, and the designers do layout on the Mac, so after they do the layout, I have to program it, then send it back to them for final output to get the fonts to line up. I'm not sure how to work in the shared font libs, but I would bet that using two different libs (one PC and one Mac) would fix it. Kevin N. Serge Jespers wrote: > Hey guyz, > > I'm working on this project that has a shared library with some > movieclips and fonts... > It are those fonts that cause quite a bit of stress... > > The designer on this project is on a PC and I work on a Mac... Not > that that should matter but I'm taking a wild guess this is the > problem... > > The situation... Both his PC and my Mac have all the fonts... Same TTF > files. However, if I use the shared fonts in the swf on the server, > they come out looking like this: > http://webkitchen.be/downloads/sharedfonts.png > Not really what was intended... > > If I make that library again, and use my shared lib instead of the one > on the server, the text comes out right but is shifted down by quite a > few pixels causing the design to be screwed up... > > So yeah... Should we just drop the shared fonts and thereby add a some > 50k to each swf? Or is there something we may not have thought about? > > Thanks for your help, > Serge > > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Shared fonts nightmare
I just posted something similar a few days ago. To take care of the font shifting you can make sure to publish the files with the fonts on the system they were designed on. So for example if you did the design on the pc, then the swf and the shared lib with the fonts should also be published on the pc. If you did the design on the mac, then the final output should also be on the mac. I suppose you could end up with a problem where some files were designed on the mac, and some on then pc, in this case you may never be able to get them to line up right all the time using the same publishing computer - so you could do a comprimise by making sure all PC designed flas are finally published on a PC and use a PC fonts shared lib, while all the Mac designed flas are published on the Mac, and use a Mac fonts shared lib. It's suboptimal, but it's better than 50K on every file. By the way I have no experience with fonts in shared libraries, so while conceptually this solution should work, it might be overkill, since just making sure to publish the final swf on the platform they were layed out in, might fix the problem. In our environment, I do programming on the PC, and the designers do layout on the Mac, so after they do the layout, I have to program it, then send it back to them for final output to get the fonts to line up. I'm not sure how to work in the shared font libs, but I would bet that using two different libs (one PC and one Mac) would fix it. Kevin N. Serge Jespers wrote: Hey guyz, I'm working on this project that has a shared library with some movieclips and fonts... It are those fonts that cause quite a bit of stress... The designer on this project is on a PC and I work on a Mac... Not that that should matter but I'm taking a wild guess this is the problem... The situation... Both his PC and my Mac have all the fonts... Same TTF files. However, if I use the shared fonts in the swf on the server, they come out looking like this: http://webkitchen.be/downloads/sharedfonts.png Not really what was intended... If I make that library again, and use my shared lib instead of the one on the server, the text comes out right but is shifted down by quite a few pixels causing the design to be screwed up... So yeah... Should we just drop the shared fonts and thereby add a some 50k to each swf? Or is there something we may not have thought about? Thanks for your help, Serge ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Shared fonts nightmare
> I'm working on this project that has a shared library with some > movieclips and fonts... > It are those fonts that cause quite a bit of stress... > > The designer on this project is on a PC and I work on a Mac... Not > that that should matter but I'm taking a wild guess this is the > problem... > > The situation... Both his PC and my Mac have all the fonts... Same > TTF files. However, if I use the shared fonts in the swf on the > server, they come out looking like this: http://webkitchen.be/ > downloads/sharedfonts.png > Not really what was intended... It looks like you're dealing with the same problem I've been struggling with recently. It's all about code pages. Windows and Macs have different ways of translating text info into characters. The lower-end characters (those in the ASCII range from 0-127) are the same. The higher end ones (in the ANSI range 128-255) are different. You can see them in these tables: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_Roman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252 (These are for English-language OS's; for other languages the encodings are different again). There are a number of ways to deal with this. One is simply to switch to Unicode. Unicode is cross-platform and will work in any language. If you can't use Unicode for some reason, you have two options: either create two fonts, one for the Mac and one for Windows (possibly more if you need to deal with multiple regions), or do what I did, which is to run a translation function to change your text from one code page to the other (eg, running myText.split(String.fromCharCode(128)).join(String.fromCharCode(219)) will swap a Windows Euro symbol with a Mac Euro symbol). This isn't going to solve your problem in a general sense, and it will only work for those characters that are represented in both code pages, but if you have some control over which characters you will be using, it will do the job. Best Danny ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Shared fonts nightmare
i never worked with shared fonts but maybe this could help you: http://www.sharedfonts.com e Am 28.04.2006 um 09:44 schrieb Serge Jespers: Hey guyz, I'm working on this project that has a shared library with some movieclips and fonts... It are those fonts that cause quite a bit of stress... The designer on this project is on a PC and I work on a Mac... Not that that should matter but I'm taking a wild guess this is the problem... The situation... Both his PC and my Mac have all the fonts... Same TTF files. However, if I use the shared fonts in the swf on the server, they come out looking like this: http://webkitchen.be/ downloads/sharedfonts.png Not really what was intended... If I make that library again, and use my shared lib instead of the one on the server, the text comes out right but is shifted down by quite a few pixels causing the design to be screwed up... So yeah... Should we just drop the shared fonts and thereby add a some 50k to each swf? Or is there something we may not have thought about? Thanks for your help, Serge ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com plugisto ... eugen pflüger alexanderstr. 109 70180 stuttgart fon +49.711.6739797 mobil +49.177.6428272 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... http://www.plugisto.net http://itself.pmalc.de http://www.lifeperformance.net ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Shared fonts nightmare
Hey guyz, I'm working on this project that has a shared library with some movieclips and fonts... It are those fonts that cause quite a bit of stress... The designer on this project is on a PC and I work on a Mac... Not that that should matter but I'm taking a wild guess this is the problem... The situation... Both his PC and my Mac have all the fonts... Same TTF files. However, if I use the shared fonts in the swf on the server, they come out looking like this: http://webkitchen.be/ downloads/sharedfonts.png Not really what was intended... If I make that library again, and use my shared lib instead of the one on the server, the text comes out right but is shifted down by quite a few pixels causing the design to be screwed up... So yeah... Should we just drop the shared fonts and thereby add a some 50k to each swf? Or is there something we may not have thought about? Thanks for your help, Serge ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
