Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
On 08/05/2010 07:48, Jared wrote: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/05/08/apple-is-developing-a-flash-alternative-and-has-been-for-almost-a-year/ Don't know how valid this is but it would explain a lot This gives a 'balanced' view: At a stroke Apple’s quality argument is effectively blown out of the water. http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/04/12/the-phoney-war-apple-vs-adobe/ John ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
Don't bother :) Apple is doing its own playground in its own special island + walled gardens how could they develop a flash concurrent that would sit on the 'ubiquitous' side of things ?? The same ubiquity than with Quicktime Player or Safari ? :D (sorry, but ... these only work on Macs, again ) I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
one of the best comments on digg: [quote] iTunes and Quicktime are absolute piles of shit. People talk about Flash crashing a browser? Quicktime is just as bad. Complete shit. iTunes is just as bad as Outlook when it comes to bloatware. Not to mention a horrible to use piece of software. [/quote] amazingly true On 10 May 2010 08:02, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Don't bother :) Apple is doing its own playground in its own special island + walled gardens how could they develop a flash concurrent that would sit on the 'ubiquitous' side of things ?? The same ubiquity than with Quicktime Player or Safari ? :D (sorry, but ... these only work on Macs, again ) I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
ah just re-read the article - this is a javascript framework so nothing to see i guess? a On 10 May 2010 10:19, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com wrote: one of the best comments on digg: [quote] iTunes and Quicktime are absolute piles of shit. People talk about Flash crashing a browser? Quicktime is just as bad. Complete shit. iTunes is just as bad as Outlook when it comes to bloatware. Not to mention a horrible to use piece of software. [/quote] amazingly true On 10 May 2010 08:02, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Don't bother :) Apple is doing its own playground in its own special island + walled gardens how could they develop a flash concurrent that would sit on the 'ubiquitous' side of things ?? The same ubiquity than with Quicktime Player or Safari ? :D (sorry, but ... these only work on Macs, again ) I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
Yes, this blog post http://www.uza.lt/blog/2010/05/gianduia-vs-flash/ gives two examples: http://concierge.apple.com/reservations/R002 http://iphone-reserve.apple.com/WebObjects/RPRCustomer.woa/wo/0. beware, these are extremely horrible proof of concept. The static forms loading is way too long ... and somewhat seems abnormal :| Cedric ah just re-read the article - this is a javascript framework so nothing to see i guess? a On 10 May 2010 10:19, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com wrote: one of the best comments on digg: [quote] iTunes and Quicktime are absolute piles of shit. People talk about Flash crashing a browser? Quicktime is just as bad. Complete shit. iTunes is just as bad as Outlook when it comes to bloatware. Not to mention a horrible to use piece of software. [/quote] amazingly true On 10 May 2010 08:02, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Don't bother :) Apple is doing its own playground in its own special island + walled gardens how could they develop a flash concurrent that would sit on the 'ubiquitous' side of things ?? The same ubiquity than with Quicktime Player or Safari ? :D (sorry, but ... these only work on Macs, again ) I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
nice find cedric On 10 May 2010 10:58, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Yes, this blog post http://www.uza.lt/blog/2010/05/gianduia-vs-flash/ gives two examples: http://concierge.apple.com/reservations/R002 http://iphone-reserve.apple.com/WebObjects/RPRCustomer.woa/wo/0. beware, these are extremely horrible proof of concept. The static forms loading is way too long ... and somewhat seems abnormal :| Cedric ah just re-read the article - this is a javascript framework so nothing to see i guess? a On 10 May 2010 10:19, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com wrote: one of the best comments on digg: [quote] iTunes and Quicktime are absolute piles of shit. People talk about Flash crashing a browser? Quicktime is just as bad. Complete shit. iTunes is just as bad as Outlook when it comes to bloatware. Not to mention a horrible to use piece of software. [/quote] amazingly true On 10 May 2010 08:02, Cedric Muller flashco...@benga.li wrote: Don't bother :) Apple is doing its own playground in its own special island + walled gardens how could they develop a flash concurrent that would sit on the 'ubiquitous' side of things ?? The same ubiquity than with Quicktime Player or Safari ? :D (sorry, but ... these only work on Macs, again ) I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
I can understand the Quicktime complaints, but what are the common complaints about iTunes? - MM one of the best comments on digg: [quote] iTunes is just as bad as Outlook when it comes to bloatware. Not to mention a horrible to use piece of software. [/quote] amazingly true ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
Don't remember seeing this linked up this weekend. Not a flash replacement, just another JS lib with cocoa-like syntax: http://ajaxian.com/archives/gianduia Jer ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
i find that (even on a mac) iTunes slowly drains the machine of clocks and memory (i don't use it on the pc - if only i could avoid quicktime in the same way) A On 10 May 2010 13:08, Mendelsohn, Michael michael.mendels...@fmglobal.comwrote: I can understand the Quicktime complaints, but what are the common complaints about iTunes? - MM one of the best comments on digg: [quote] iTunes is just as bad as Outlook when it comes to bloatware. Not to mention a horrible to use piece of software. [/quote] amazingly true ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
I can understand the Quicktime complaints, but what are the common complaints about iTunes? I've been using iTunes for years (on a PC) and without a doubt I have more problems with it than anything else I use. Actually, I'm not sure it's all iTunes' fault - every so often my iPod locks up during a sync - but iTunes itself is slow, bloated, unresponsive, and ignores every UI convention on Windows. I'm half convinced it's intentionally so bad to convince people to get a Mac to run it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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- but iTunes itself is slow, bloated, unresponsive, and ignores every UI convention on Windows. I'm half convinced it's intentionally so bad to convince people to get a Mac to run it. Oh, the irony :-D ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
And, if you have to happen to use it for any serious email contact or content synching with sayoutlook, watch out! ~b -Original Message- From: Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com Sent: May 10, 2010 11:31 AM To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative I can understand the Quicktime complaints, but what are the common complaints about iTunes? I've been using iTunes for years (on a PC) and without a doubt I have more problems with it than anything else I use. Actually, I'm not sure it's all iTunes' fault - every so often my iPod locks up during a sync - but iTunes itself is slow, bloated, unresponsive, and ignores every UI convention on Windows. I'm half convinced it's intentionally so bad to convince people to get a Mac to run it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
On 09/05/2010 02:55, Mendelsohn, Michael wrote: I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. Why would any business reveal their intentions before they are ready? I don't see why any company has to announce their intentions beforehand, or any reason why any company shouldn't build their own development system. Underhanded? Seems like good business practice to me. As a Flash developer I'm not happy to be on the wrong side of this strategy, but I can't see that it's underhand. Just business practice. Ultimately Apple is doing us all a big favour. I'm sure that Adobe is looking very hard now at the strength and weaknesses of the flash platform and we will all benefit in the long term from Adobe being given a kick. Personally I have been completely underwhelmed in CS4 and I can't really get excited about CS5, except perhaps as a more coherent build platform for Flash Builder. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
Well, you have a point Paul. But compare and contrast to Microsoft. Microsoft liked the Flash client too, so they came up with their own. They never went on an insult spree. Apple apparently likes the Flash client too, but they did go on an insult spree. That's underhanded to me, and in my personal opinion, not good business form. I'm sure that Adobe is looking very hard now at the strength and weaknesses of the flash platform and we will all benefit in the long term from Adobe being given a kick. Yes, of course I agree. But I am concerned that our world is going to get split in two now (not that it isn't fragmented already). Isn't the concept for what we do supposed to be write once, deploy everywhere? Instead, we're going the route of one for i* and one for Android/Flash. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
Well, you have a point Paul. But compare and contrast to Microsoft. Microsoft liked the Flash client too, so they came up with their own. They never went on an insult spree. Apple apparently likes the Flash client too, but they did go on an insult spree. That's underhanded to me, and in my personal opinion, not good business form. I'm not sure that Gianduja is intended as an analogue to Flash. It looks more like another JavaScript library to me, and there are plenty of those already. Yes, of course I agree. But I am concerned that our world is going to get split in two now (not that it isn't fragmented already). Isn't the concept for what we do supposed to be write once, deploy everywhere? Instead, we're going the route of one for i* and one for Android/Flash. Well, that's too bad, but there's nothing to be done about it. Apple strictly controls their mobile device platform, and it's not in their perceived best interest to support Flash. They see this as diluting the value of their platform, and I think they're probably right about this. They're gambling that people will continue developing for their platform, and will develop first for their platform, which will be a disadvantage for competing platforms like Android. Of course, their gamble could be wrong. If you don't like it, I suggest you not develop for the App Store. If enough people do this, the problem will self-correct. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
oh apple. Why do you have so many secrets? On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Jared jared.stan...@gmail.com wrote: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/05/08/apple-is-developing-a-flash-alternative-and-has-been-for-almost-a-year/ Don't know how valid this is but it would explain a lot Sent from my iPhone ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Mac gaming-never took off either, they don't have the mindset for development ~b Ktu wrote: oh apple. Why do you have so many secrets? On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Jared jared.stan...@gmail.com wrote: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/05/08/apple-is-developing-a-flash-alternative-and-has-been-for-almost-a-year/ Don't know how valid this is but it would explain a lot Sent from my iPhone ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2859 - Release Date: 05/07/10 02:26:00 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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read the comments, seemingly nothing at all to do with anything flash-like in reality! On 8 May 2010 14:54, William Bierwerth b.bierwe...@earthlink.net wrote: Mac gaming-never took off either, they don't have the mindset for development ~b Ktu wrote: oh apple. Why do you have so many secrets? On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Jared jared.stan...@gmail.com wrote: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/05/08/apple-is-developing-a-flash-alternative-and-has-been-for-almost-a-year/ Don't know how valid this is but it would explain a lot Sent from my iPhone ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2859 - Release Date: 05/07/10 02:26:00 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
as I remember there was a time that Mac had a big push to develop 3D, it fell apart Mac had a push to develop a game developers community to compete with windows (when windows was the defacto choice for games) it fell apart Now they want FLASH? oooh no they they don't want to come out of the closet competely and say it, they want to let it fall apart, so they never had to admit being commited to it in the first place... Climb on board they don't have the mindset for development I am not onboard with the instant obsolescence that everybody sells (ADOBE included) not impressed with Jobs either, his track record is style, which is not above suspicion If Mac had no Adobe(FLASH) there would be a lessening of their market share because GRAPHICS PEOPLE are the reason they have survived over the years (including ADOBE FLASH) so like Highlander there can be only one? stupid is as stupid does ~b tom rhodes wrote: read the comments, seemingly nothing at all to do with anything flash-like in reality! On 8 May 2010 14:54, William Bierwerth b.bierwe...@earthlink.net wrote: Mac gaming-never took off either, they don't have the mindset for development ~b Ktu wrote: oh apple. Why do you have so many secrets? On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Jared jared.stan...@gmail.com wrote: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/05/08/apple-is-developing-a-flash-alternative-and-has-been-for-almost-a-year/ Don't know how valid this is but it would explain a lot Sent from my iPhone ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2859 - Release Date: 05/07/10 02:26:00 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/08/10 02:26:00 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Apple developing flash-like alternative
I'd rather not go negative, especially on this list which is so valuable to me, but this Flash Alternative news simply disgusts me. It's as underhanded as a business can get. - MM ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
