Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Greg Reddin : On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site. I have not yet voted on this. For the record I am +1 on the contest and the p

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Reddin
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > FWIW, I have just removed the "send to" bit which I think was redundant. I noticed that. Works for me. Greg

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Greg Reddin wrote: > ...2. The last lines of the page say: "The authors of the selected Apache > Flex logo(s) will need to donate them to the Apache Flex project > according to the Apache individual contributor license: ICLA.txt Send > to the Apache Flex Mailing Lis

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Reddin
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get > this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site. I have not yet voted on this. For the record I am +1 on the contest and the page with the following t

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Michael Schmalle
You can put an announcement on the front page but I think it's better to have a specific URL for the contest page, suggest http://incubator.apache.org/flex/logo-contest.html The left navigation is defined in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/site/trunk/templates/leftnav.mdtext if y

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz : >> ...maybe >> you could publish the contest page at http://incubator.apache.org/flex >> with a big DRAFT - CONTEST HAS NOT STARTED YET warning, and we can >> fine tune before announcing the contest? >> > ...Y

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz : On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: ...Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site I missed that deadline and not sure what the current status i

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > ...Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get > this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site I missed that deadline and not sure what the current status is - maybe you could publish the co

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I like the idea of a userevoice vote rather than use one of the pay-for-art sites. -Nick On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Jun Heider wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > > > > > > One thing that ought to be clea

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Requiring everybody to sign an ICLA is a bit much, and I would seriously discourage it. The ICLA required a two week review from the GC at my office before I could sign it (with you work for an entity like a university, IBM, Lucent, etc, where they own everything you do, there is a lot of hee-hawi

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jun Heider
On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > > > One thing that ought to be cleared up in the next week is the procedure for > voting on the contestants. Will it be a ranked order until a choice is the > majority? Will it be the mos

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > >>> No worries. What you've done so far has been awesome and most appreciated. >>> I was more referring to all the back and forth on this particular thread >>> after the voting had taken place. I guess I just need to get used to how >>> d

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
No worries. What you've done so far has been awesome and most appreciated. I was more referring to all the back and forth on this particular thread after the voting had taken place. I guess I just need to get used to how decisions are made the "Apache Way" :) With my mentor hat (newly mi

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jun Heider
On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Here is a page about decision making at Apache. [1] > > It is referred to by this page. [2] > > HTH, > Dave > > [1] http://community.apache.org/committers/decisionMaking.html > [2] http://community.apache.org/committers/index.html Right on. Tha

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Jun Heider wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > >> Hi Jun, >> >> I was just trying to get a date for starting the contest really since I'm >> putting it up on the site. I guess starting it on Tuesday morning for one >> week is the gam

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jun Heider
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Hi Jun, > > I was just trying to get a date for starting the contest really since I'm > putting it up on the site. I guess starting it on Tuesday morning for one > week is the gameplan. That is what I am going off of until told otherwise.

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
I don't think this is stupid. I say go with the copy you have and we can use twittering as our crowd sourcing. If we want to be doubly-careful we can respond to submissions and ask if the designer will be cool with signing and ICLA if they win before their submission is made public for

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jun Heider
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > > Well from the standpoint of fairness wouldn't we do a; > > while (runnerup = contestants.next()) > if (runnerup.agreeToLicense()) > break; > > winner = runnerup; > > I know that is stupid but it's Sunday. I don't think this is stu

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > So you're going to make every entrant submit the agreement before hand? > It sounds like a high barrier of entry. > > The contract and/or terms that the winner must sign should be made known > up front. I thought they were part of the ori

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jeffry Houser
So you're going to make every entrant submit the agreement before hand? It sounds like a high barrier of entry. The contract and/or terms that the winner must sign should be made known up front. I thought they were part of the original contest proposal. On 1/8/2012 12:49 PM, Jonathan Ca

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Jonathan Campos : On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: Really? How come? I would have thought that only the contest winner would have to sign such an agreement. What if the winner decides they don't like the agreement? We've all just wasted time. -- Jonathan Cam

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > Really? How come? I would have thought that only the contest winner > would have to sign such an agreement. What if the winner decides they don't like the agreement? We've all just wasted time. -- Jonathan Campos

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Randy Troppmann
On Jan 8, 2012 4:39 PM, "Abhilash Krishnan" wrote: > > I don't really agree with Randy! Open Source is crowd or community > collaboration initiative. Open source evolves through community and the > contribution involved. Here nobody is dictating terms. You are at peace to > involve and contribute.

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/8/2012 11:37 AM, Mihai Ene wrote: I believe that using an external submission platform with anonymous users (such as a blog, Twitter or a personal website) is not possible since everyone who submits materials must have signed the Apache ICLA. Really? How come? I would have thought tha

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jeffry Houser
I didn't mean to start a religious war. On 1/8/2012 11:31 AM, Randy Troppmann wrote: As a professional designer I am ethically opposed to sites like this for the purpose of crowd sourcing graphic design. Of course you are! Everybody hates it when technology helps enable competition to the

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > The contest currently reads; > > > The authors of the selected Apache Flex logo(s) will need to donate them to > the Apache Flex project according to the  Apache individual > contributor license: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.tx

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
I have another thought about this. Why can't they use a public medium, and if it's the one accepted, that one person signs an ICLA? Surely we're not going to hamper entries by requiring all entrants to sign an ICLA up front? Or, would it be acceptable to put it in the entry contest rules that th

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Jan 8, 2012 10:02 AM, "Doug Arthur" wrote: > > > On Jan 8, 2012 9:32 AM, "Mihai Ene" wrote: > > > > You cannot use an anonymous submission platform (like a blog, Twitter or personal websites) because every user who submits materials needs to sign the apache ICLA > > Thus, i am afraid that the

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Jan 8, 2012 9:32 AM, "Mihai Ene" wrote: > > You cannot use an anonymous submission platform (like a blog, Twitter or personal websites) because every user who submits materials needs to sign the apache ICLA > Thus, i am afraid that the mailing list remains the only option so far. > > Mihai Ene

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Mihai Ene : I believe that using an external submission platform with anonymous users (such as a blog, Twitter or a personal website) is not possible since everyone who submits materials must have signed the Apache ICLA. Mihai Ene Hmm, that might be a good point. I just need p

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Abhilash Krishnan
I don't really agree with Randy! Open Source is crowd or community collaboration initiative. Open source evolves through community and the contribution involved. Here nobody is dictating terms. You are at peace to involve and contribute. Open source demands involvement and contribution from the com

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Mihai Ene
I believe that using an external submission platform with anonymous users (such as a blog, Twitter or a personal website) is not possible since everyone who submits materials must have signed the Apache ICLA. Mihai Ene

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Randy Troppmann
As a professional designer I am ethically opposed to sites like this for the purpose of crowd sourcing graphic design. If you go this direction you will find that designers like me will not participate for this very reason. And these are the people you need involved. If you go down this road you wi

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Jan 8, 2012 7:41 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: > > Quoting Jeffry Houser : > >> On 1/8/2012 9:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: >>> >>> >>> logo designers need to submit there work via the list any way. >> >> >> I generally think it is a bad idea to force logo designers to subscribe to this maili

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Jeffry Houser : On 1/8/2012 9:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: logo designers need to submit there work via the list any way. I generally think it is a bad idea to force logo designers to subscribe to this mailing list to submit entries. Is there a way to post to the list w/o bein

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread don@doubletake
With Apache, are you limited to using their mailing lists? I'm sure Adobe would allow us to leverage their Forums, which allow people to follow the conversations and post without being subscribed. Don Don Kerr Founder & Chief Software Architect DoubleTake http://www.doubletaketech.com On Ja

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/8/2012 9:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote: logo designers need to submit there work via the list any way. I generally think it is a bad idea to force logo designers to subscribe to this mailing list to submit entries. Is there a way to post to the list w/o being subscribed? I was think

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Carlos Rovira : I think if we want to get some buzz out there and captivate some professional logo maker's attention to get its vision and proposals about Apache Flex, we should get accesibles the contest to the people who work all day in this subjects. So, maybe to post the contest in s

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-08 Thread Carlos Rovira
I think if we want to get some buzz out there and captivate some professional logo maker's attention to get its vision and proposals about Apache Flex, we should get accesibles the contest to the people who work all day in this subjects. So, maybe to post the contest in some of the communities that

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-07 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I like the idea, but from what I remember, almost all of the 99designs or crowdspring ideas are paid. Non-paid ones usually don't get much traction on those sites... -Nick On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Those that voted, read this and give your opinion. > > Any mentor

Re: [VOTE] Flex logo contest page publish [Last Detail - thoughts]

2012-01-07 Thread Michael Schmalle
Those that voted, read this and give your opinion. Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site. I just think this might have slipped through the cracks, interesting thought. Mike Quoting Jeffry Houser