hmmm
how convenient!
jaja thanks matt, will give it a shot tomorrow ;)
On 3/30/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have a mx.utils.URLUtil class which you can use, it doesn't seem to
be showing up in the docs right now though.
/**
* Converts a potentially relative URL to a
Flash Player 8.5 is still in beta, and we'd greatly appreciate any
feedback about problems you are having with it. If you have a minute,
there is a brief web form you can use to report these kinds of errors:
http://www.macromedia.com/go/fp_public_beta_feedback
Thanks,
Francis
-Original
Am I the only one having problems with configuring this? If
so could you please advise where I am going wrong?
I went through Window Preferences General
Keys Run/Debug and tried to modify both 'Run Last Launched' and 'Run Flex
Application'. I changed the shortcut to 'Ctrl+Enter' and
I need a grid layout of FieldItems while leveraging the form
handling logic (default button, tab management, anything else?)
I tried the following:
MyForm extends Form
function updateDisplayList() {
// Layout MyFormItems @ 2 per row
// Set the width to half the available space
}
yeah that absolutely makes sense, thanks
Tom!
I
was able to answer my own question. In my original post I
didn'trealize that the selector attribute of the Consumer component
filteredmessages on the server side. So, Stefan, if you want see
what I'mtalking about, check out the
On this note I wanted to ask the crowd:is Flex2
capable oflettinga user drag a file from their desktop into the
browser, onto the Flex app and then have Flex upload it?
I saw something similar being done by a custom ActiveX
control in combination with AJAX and it was very slick. I had
If
you're Flex 1.5-ing apparently you need this hotfix.
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=ace0407
Cheers,
Paul.
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Hello,
I have a simple TitleWindow that I open when I click on a button.
Each time I click on the button a new TitleBar opens. How can I see if
the TitleWindow is already open? Or any other solution to this issue
will do.
Alexander
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Hello,
After compliling a flex 2 project, what is a normal swf size range?
I currently get 259kb, but I still have lots of stuff to add.
Thanks,
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Hello,
I got a Typo3-RSS-Feed as a typical php-url, which i try to read with
'HTTPService' in Flex 2 Beta 2:
url=http://news.smartcode.ch/index.php?id=1type=100;
What I get is an error:
The reference to entity type must end with the ';' delimiter.
There also is no change when I use
Newbie here... using Flex2.
Say I have a package com.stefan.controls and a class
MyButton.as in there. I also have a class Foo.as inside com.stefan.
When I want to use both classes in my MXML document do I
need to specify 2 namespaces such as
xmlns:stefan="com.stefan.*"
Sorry to hijack this thread.
Thanks for the example Tracy. I have somewhat changed
it for Flex2 and run into a small issue. I am using 2 ArrayCollections, one for
the combobox and one for the datagrid:
[Bindable]public var
cbDP:ArrayCollection;[Bindable]public var
Why this hangs the VM when clicking the button?.
Thanks,
Pepe.
?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml; xmlns=*
mx:Script
import NodoArbol;
import mx.controls.treeClasses.*;
[Bindable]
public var raiz :
Hi,
Couldn' you just save a reference to the window?
if (myWindow != null) {
// ... pop it up
myWindow =
}
or use a boolean flag.
private var bIsOpen = false;
if (!bIsOpen) {
// ... pop it up
myWindow =
bIsOpen = true;
}
Peace, MikeOn 3/30/06, Alex Alex [EMAIL
Is there a place to submit errors that we come across in the Livedocs? Is it helpful at all if we submit errors when we come across them or is that someone's job which we should just leave them alone and let them do?
Mani
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A swf (flex output)
does not have the ability, as far as I know, to do this(partly because of
security concerns). You are in a browser there is no access to a users system
except that which is allowed.
You have the ability to
upload files but no drag and drop style. You can not interact
Stefan,
The usual trick here is a browser feature to get that to work. They
usually have a DIV on the page which contains an FTP:// URI. When you
drag the file into the DIV the browsers own FTP support kicks in and
uploads the file.
I know there are also ActiveX controls people have written
Remember,
This is still beta and swf compiles are not completly optimized, so
this question really can't be answered until the public release.
Peace, MIkeOn 3/30/06, Alex Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
After compliling a flex 2 project, what is a normal swf size range?
I currently
Please submit them using the "Add Comment" button on each
Livedocs page.
Stephen
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
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Saint-VictorSent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:11 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Do we submit
yes, any thing that is not in the current namespace needs to be defined in another namespace.
That is the idea of packages, they seperate things so there are the least amount of 'possible' name collisions.
Peace, MikeOn 3/30/06, Stefan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Newbie here...
OK.. now,
how would i do different border thickness and color.
for example:
border top : 3px blue
border top : 4px gree
border top : 1px red
border top : 2px orange
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you could use extraSpacing=0 even though the property
You are working with xml, so the url gives an error:url="" href="http://news.smartcode.ch/index.php?id=1type=100" target="_blank">http://news.smartcode.ch/index.php?id=1type=100
Replace the with an amp; and you should be fine.Good luck,Sonja Duijvesteijn
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Thanks guys.
My question wasn't aimed at knocking Flex on the head. I
know the benefits of Flash all too well and I earn a living off their back; in
this case I was just curious. Even if Flex couldn't do it out of the box maybe
there's a way around it (after all the browser can't do this
Tracy,
Thanks for taking the time to do the example. I got it working just
fine. That makes it a lot more clear now that I see how it
works...much appreciated.
Ryan
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And here is an enhanced example that has both the
I have a Text control (in a VBox with other controls) that sometimes
has a long multi-line message other times has a short single line
one. I can make the control taller by extending the height= property.
But later, when I change height to a smaller number, the control does
not change to the
Anybody have any insight on this?
This hasn't happened to anybody else?
Thanks.
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Hello all, me again. :)
I'm just starting to get into building projects and I can't get my test
app to compile properly. I created a new
Hi Chris,
Would you be considering candidates from abroad as well?
Manish
On 3/24/06, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I apologize is this is an inappropriate use of the flexcoders forum, but
thought I would give it a try and ask for forgiveness later.
CNET Networks' Data Warehouse
On 3/30/06, Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Chris,
[snip]
Gee - that was intended for the original sender. Sorry about the spam!
Manish
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On 3/30/06, Libby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also I want the Text control's minimum width to be the same as the
other controls in the VBox, even if it is empty. Flex insists on
making the width just a few bytes wide, even if I put width=100%.
Can you post an example? Setting the width to 100%
On 3/30/06, Stefan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Say I have a package com.stefan.controls and a class MyButton.as in there. I
also have a class Foo.as inside com.stefan.
When I want to use both classes in my MXML document do I need to specify 2
namespaces such as
On 3/30/06, Alex Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After compliling a flex 2 project, what is a normal swf size range?
I currently get 259kb, but I still have lots of stuff to add.
120+ KB currently. The old flexstote (the thinkgeek one) comes to
500 KB on my local build.
Manish
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On 3/30/06, Alex Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a simple TitleWindow that I open when I click on a button.
Each time I click on the button a new TitleBar opens. How can I see if
the TitleWindow is already open? Or any other solution to this issue
will do.
Typically you just save a
Does anyone have a clue on this one? Flex 2 Beta 2, btw. I am trying to add a
css file for my DataGrid components, whick looks like this:
DataGrid {
headerColors: 0xDD, 0xDD;
alternatingRowColors: 0xFF, 0xEDF3FE;
headerHeight: 24;
On 3/30/06, Gordon Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could also use describeType(className) and iterate over the
implementsInterface child tags, but this would be much more expensive.
if (describeType(className).implementsInterface.(@type
== interfaceName).length())
...
Manish
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this.titleBar.doubleClickEnabled = true;
trace(dblclcickenable:
+this.titleBar.doubleClickEnabled)
this.titleBar.addEventListener(MouseEvent.MOUSE_DOWN,
onMouseDown);
On 3/30/06, sufibaba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The systemManager approach is worth a try. What would be the code to
listen for mouseEvent on the systemManager Object?
Every UIComponent has a systemManager property.
systemManager.addEventListener(mouseUp, handlerFunc, true);
Listening for it
On 3/29/06, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/28/06, Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/29/06, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, so I have a TileList using a itemRenderer known as Thumb.mxml. In
Thumb.mxml I have
mx:Image id=up source={upArrow}
On 3/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DataGrid {
headerColors: 0xDD, 0xDD;
alternatingRowColors: 0xFF, 0xEDF3FE;
headerHeight: 24;
rollOverColor: 0xE0;
}
When I try to compile I get an error:
CSS type selectors are not
Sounds I'm in range thanks!Any tricks to reduce this downloading time? Maybe something that I use in the html world named cache?Thanks, AlexManish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/30/06, Alex Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After compliling a flex 2 project, what is a normal swf
Being new to Flex, I'm playing around with the Flexstore example and
trying different things with it so that I can apply them to real life
sites in the future.
When the Flexstore first opens, it displays all of the products
(phones) in the catalog.xml file. I'm trying to figure out how to
There is also a Java applet that is great for Drag and Drop file upload:
jclientUpload I think it's called.
http://javaboutique.internet.com/jClient/
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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006
I already sent ya mine but I think Renaun
or Peter Blaze had a smaller example
_
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Anyone been able to get Flex to work properly under FC5? Apache 2.2
and Tomcat 5.5.15 come with FC5 and work quite well. I installed Flex
and while the samples do run, no text is visible anywhere.
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Dashboard application in Cairngorm reaching about 340k, while most of it is
taking in the Line/Column Charts Im assuming because if I add more or
take some away it doesnt effect the size really. As other people have
said, its the components 1-time use that
Hi.
I have a similar question too.
I'm writing sample code like below.
But I cant't find out Converting mx:Image to Bitmap.
How should I ???
Please tell me.
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml; xmlns=*
layout=absolute creationComplete=initApp()
Hi Ray.
Sorry for your frustration. We haven't done a very good job
recently of manning the public beta forums. I'll look into getting this
fixed.
In the meantime, it would be great to have some test files
to track down the compiler bugs you're seeing. I'll contact you off list about
On 3/30/06, sn197412 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
private function controlToBitamap(event:MouseEvent):void
{
// How should I write for converting mx:Image to Bitmap ??
var myBitmapData:BitmapData = new BitmapData(cvs.width, cvs.height);
myBitmapData.draw(cvs);
var bmp:Bitmap =
It occurs to me that dgDP.addItem(cboSource.selectedItem) is adding a reference to
the object in the combobox dataProvider, not a new object.
This might be the problem.
Probably we should use some objectCopy
function to create a new object.
Tracy
From:
Hi,
I've been told I can use Flexbuilder 2 to do my Java stuff, as it is
an Eclipse based IDE. But I am a bit lost with ALL the Java plugins
needed (and available) for Eclipse. So I was wondering if you guys
knew the required steps and plugins needed to make Flexbuilder 2 Java
enabled, or if you
Yes! it works.
Thanks, Manish!!
And ...
Can I ask more ...?
How should I write code for uploading the Bitmap to ColdFusion Server
for example ??
Is this possible??
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On 3/30/06, sn197412 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have had trouble with Apache 2.2 and ColdFusion, I am stepping on
thin ice but would assume Apache 2.2 is the culprit.
Renaun
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Anyone been able to get Flex to work properly under FC5? Apache 2.2
and Tomcat 5.5.15 come
On 3/30/06, sn197412 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How should I write code for uploading the Bitmap to ColdFusion Server
for example ??
Is this possible??
Try this:
var bitmapData:BitmapData = bitmap.bitmapData;
var pixels:ByteArray = bitmapData.getPixels(bitmapData.rect);
Now you can upload
Don't install the standalone FlexBuilder 2, instead
download the Eclipse SDK (eclipse.org)along with the JDK 1.5
(java.sun.com), unzip that to a directory, and then install FlexBuilder2 as a
plug-in. That way you will automatically have the JDT and everything required
for J2SE development
Just curious, internally for testing our QA department uses
WebLoad from RadView a lot dont see why it wouldnt play
nice with Flex but just curious what other testing software there is for Flex.
This comes from a mostly non-technical side (aka not running testing on classes
directly) -
On 3/30/06, Renaun Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have had trouble with Apache 2.2 and ColdFusion, I am stepping on
thin ice but would assume Apache 2.2 is the culprit.
ColdFusion MX, any version, will not currently work with Apache 2.2.
Steven Erat, a Senior Servers Support Engineer at
Mercury QuickTest Pro
On 3/31/06, Jonathan Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious, internally for testing our QA department uses
WebLoad from RadView a lot – don't see why it wouldn't play
nice with Flex but just curious what other testing software there is for Flex.
Does anyone have a working example of the ViewHelper, ViewLocator strategy? I'm going off the CairngormLogin example, which doesn't include those.I'm looking at the old Store example where it does this and not sure what to change this to (dispatch event in associated view?):
Richard,
Thanks for the info, I had thought of doing so, but had (still have)
the doubt if there was an easier way of integrating Java, being the
case that I have already installed Flexbuilder and what not.
On 3/30/06, Richard Leggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't install the standalone
Thanks again, Manish!!!
I'll try that.
Thank you very much for answers.
--Shigeru
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On 3/30/06, sn197412 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How should I write code for uploading the Bitmap to ColdFusion Server
for example
Would this be the correct synax? It doesn't appear to work...: this.titleBar.mouseChildren = false; this.titleBar.doubleClickEnabled = true; this.titleBar.addEventListener(MouseEvent.MOUSE_DOWN
, onMouseDown);this.titleBar.addEventListener(MouseEvent.DOUBLE_CLICK, onDoubleClick); On
I'm seeing some strangeness with the @ operator: var foo: String = hello; @foo = goodbye; trace(foo); //Traces out goodbyeWhy does @foo resolve to foo? Is this expected behaviour? If foo is a property and not a local variable, I get a compiler error (as expected).
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Hehe, in case anybody has the same issue in the future:
I had the root folder and root URL pointing to different places.
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Anybody have any insight on this?
This hasn't happened to anybody else?
Thanks.
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Good point.
Any idea how that's best approached - is there a built-in
class that can handle this?
Stefan
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SprattSent: 30 March 2006 18:55To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders]
As I wrote in my first post there occurs an error, when I try the url
with amp; like:
url=http://news.smartcode.ch/index.php?id=1amp;type=100;
Does anybody have the same problem?
Markus
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You are working with xml,
I know
this sounds silly but could someone show me how I use httpservice in AS? I don't
want to use the mxml tag. It's just for practice and I can't get it to work for
some reason. I am using an e4x resultFormat and can create and send ok - or so
it seems. I am having trouble grasping how
You could either do it manually, similar
to the second example I posted, or use the copyObject class built by several of
the folks on this list. It does deep copy and preserves types.
Tracy
/*
On 3/31/06, Scott Langeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would this be the correct synax? It doesn't appear to work...:
this.titleBar.mouseChildren = false;
this.titleBar.doubleClickEnabled = true;
this.titleBar.addEventListener(MouseEvent.MOUSE_DOWN ,
Have you tried this?
mx:Script
![CDATA[
var myUrl: String = http://news.smartcode.ch/index.php?
id=1type=100;
]]
/mx:Script
mx:HTTPService
id=feedRequest
url={myUrl}
useProxy=false /
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Hello,
What are you having a problem with. You can just instantiate it via
ActionScript, set the appropriate properties, and listen for the result
event.
Make sure you are importing the correct class though:
mx.rpc.http.HTTPService
mike chambers
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Stefan Richter wrote:
I know this
Actually, if you guys notice, even with
doing executeBindings(true), the Legend doesnt update. But the Legend
has a binding to the chart (which updates) and the chart has a binding to the
datain my chart:
displayName={cf.format(model.theTotal[5])}
Chart updates, Legend doesnt show.
Again, You are the Man-ish!Here's what it looks like: /** * All this, to allow double-click!! */ protected override function layoutChrome(unscaledWidth:Number, unscaledHeight:Number):void {
super.layoutChrome(unscaledWidth, unscaledHeight); this.titleBar.mouseChildren = false; }
I'm running into a problem that's driving me insane:
If you open a modal popup from a modal popup, it seems like all key
strokes are captured by the *first* popup, not the top-most popup.
For example, create a modal popup containing a form, and open another
modal popup with a form from the first
Ok, I got a TileList bound to a dataprovider that uses a custom
itemRenderer. The itemRendere code is below. When a click occurs on
the up or down image, an event fires in the parent doc that calls a
webservice, the result of is bound to the dataprovider of the
TileList. easy, eh? Events fire,
Have you considered passing the parameters to php using
mx:request :
mx:HTTPService id="userRequest"
url="" useProxy="false"
method="POST"mx:request
xmlns=""username{username.text}/usernameemailaddress{emailaddress.text}/emailaddress/mx:request/mx:HTTPService
This example came from :
In my app, I have a tree that is suposed to display all documents that
are in the folders that my backend paperless sytem sorts.
I am trying to populate the tree so that the directories are nodes and
the documents underneath the directory are childs of that node, and the
File Number is the Root.
This is Flex 2, right?
Couple of things:
In your tree definition, you have labelField=DIR, but I see no DIR
field in your cfc output. That might need to be changed to
labelField=LABEL (and I'm assuming the case change is because of
issues with CFCs). Also, how are you supplying the data to
Exactly the reason the labelFields dont match up is because of issues in
the cfc.
I am providing the data through a webservice. As of right now this is
working, I am starting to move forward on this part and I am trying to
figure out how to populate it with the same working webserivce, but with
Hi,
Does anyone know if Flex has got an IDE for IntelliJ, I mean plug-in for
IntelliJ?
If not, is it in the roadmap?
Thanks,
-San
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We don't have one, and I don't think it's in our roadmap
- Gordon
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Behalf Of Sanjeeb Patel
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:20 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Does flex has a plug-in
Hello;
Does anyone know the contexts in which the @Resource
directive can used in MXML?
This works:
mx:Label text=@Resource( bundle='Galiano',
key='DSHB_SearchLabel' )/
But this:
mx:Object label=@Resource( bundle='Galiano',
key='DSHB_PopupAll' )/
Generates a compiler
Do you have a simple testcase that we can
try?
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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006
12:29 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Error when a
Transition is interrupt
The renderer is definitely re-used. You should probably override the
data setter and put logic there instead of doing everything in initMe.
Matt
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:47
That seems odd, Ill ask internally.
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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006
11:24 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Flex 2 B2: @
operator resolving to local variables?
Er, should say, known bug, that will be
fixed soon, thanks J
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Chotin
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006
6:47 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2
B2: @ operator
Known bug, thanks.
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Chotin
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006
6:47 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2
B2: @ operator resolving to local variables?
That seems
Thanks Matt. I suggest charts to support paging will be good. In future as network speed increase and we are able to process large data available at the client side.I think it will be more user friendly to include progress bar, user interrupt function to halt/cancel data binding, display size
Hi,
First off, the ViewLocator gets setup the minute the first instance for any of
your ViewHelpers is instantiated. Just look in the ViewHelper.as base class
code and you will see this.
Second, I guess you are asking how to convert and event broadcast from Flex 1.5
to Flex 2. Well in Flex 2
What does NodoArbol look like?
package
{
import mx.collections.ArrayCollection;
public class NodoArbol
{
public function NodoArbol()
{
children = new ArrayCollection();
}
public
Hmm, I don't know why it hung but it doesn't make sense to me. I'll get
it filed.
Matt
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To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Well, like I said charts tend to need all
of their data in order to draw anything accurately. You can simulate paging
with a chart by gradually filling in the data (and adding length as it arrives),
but a chart with no values may look very different than a chart that is
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