[flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Matt, Thanks for the followup and clearing up the license question. I do generally post these things to the 'wishlist', the one in question here was posted late last week. Im sure the wishlist receives a large no. of requests so Im quite happy to wait a while for someone to get back to me. I would still argue that there is merit in opening up the 'wishlist' system so that the community can search for issues and enhancement requests if only to avoid re-logging already reported issues and look for workarounds etc. From my personal experience I find it quite refreshing how responsive Adobe is (your presence on this mailing list being an excellent example) its just that there seems to be a disconnect between the entirely open dialog here and the very closed one for the bug database. Cheers -Louis --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The section in the license that talks about this is 2.1.1, you can read it in its ugly detail here: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeFlexBuilder2_0-FlexChartin g2_0.pdf. The bottom line is: yes you can modify, yes you can publish your modifications, and yes you can even publish them here (or on your blog). Someone asked about how you can get those patches to us for our consideration. The best way is probably to submit an entry via the wish form (http://www.adobe.com/go/wish) and as you describe the enhancement you're requesting mention that you have code in there for us to look at. As appropriate someone will contact you to request the code. I know that the wishlist system does seem somewhat closed but I think that we've actually been very good about being responsive to customers as we've been informed of problems. We may not be able to respond to every single one. I think the most common time when we may not respond is if what you report is a duplicate of something we are already tracking, though even then I believe that we try to send some sort of response. If you've been submitting entries via the wish form and haven't received any responses let me know (off-list) and I can look into it. Thanks, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis Ryan Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:44 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list? Ive posted in the spirit of improving flex so find it here with a sample to play with... http://whittlin.blogspot.com/ http://whittlin.blogspot.com/ --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com , Louis Ryan louiscryan@ wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Hi, The section in the license that talks about this is 2.1.1, you can read it in its ugly detail here: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeFlexBuilder2_0-FlexCharting2_0.pdf. The bottom line is: yes you can modify, yes you can publish your modifications, and yes you can even publish them here (or on your blog). Someone asked about how you can get those patches to us for our consideration. The best way is probably to submit an entry via the wish form (http://www.adobe.com/go/wish) and as you describe the enhancement youre requesting mention that you have code in there for us to look at. As appropriate someone will contact you to request the code. I know that the wishlist system does seem somewhat closed but I think that weve actually been very good about being responsive to customers as weve been informed of problems. We may not be able to respond to every single one. I think the most common time when we may not respond is if what you report is a duplicate of something we are already tracking, though even then I believe that we try to send some sort of response. If youve been submitting entries via the wish form and havent received any responses let me know (off-list) and I can look into it. Thanks, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis Ryan Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:44 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list? Ive posted in the spirit of improving flex so find it here with a sample to play with... http://whittlin.blogspot.com/ --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Louis Ryan louiscryan@... wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Matt, My apologies, indeed license does not prohibit modifications, just new classes in Adobe namespace - very handy for patches and enhancements. I also think that Louis idea of community driven features showcasehas it's place. It might be beneficial to have dedicated site were people can post their enhancements to the standard controls along with the code. While not quite components on their own merit for Flex Exchange and more complex then code snippets in JAM, they can be used to showcase enhancements and open source code. I have made quite a few of such controls in the past andcould not reallyfind place to post them. I will set up site with some of them this week and would welcome anyone willing to showcase their controls to drop me a line off-line.The only limitations will be no JMS/FMS on the server - usual Tomcat/MySQL deal. Thank you, Anatole Tartakovsky www.faratasystems.com On 9/18/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The section in the license that talks about this is 2.1.1, you can read it in its ugly detail here: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeFlexBuilder2_0-FlexCharting2_0.pdf. The bottom line is: yes you can modify, yes you can publish your modifications, and yes you can even publish them here (or on your blog). Someone asked about how you can get those patches to us for our consideration. The best way is probably to submit an entry via the wish form ( http://www.adobe.com/go/wish) and as you describe the enhancement you're requesting mention that you have code in there for us to look at. As appropriate someone will contact you to request the code. I know that the wishlist system does seem somewhat closed but I think that we've actually been very good about being responsive to customers as we've been informed of problems. We may not be able to respond to every single one. I think the most common time when we may not respond is if what you report is a duplicate of something we are already tracking, though even then I believe that we try to send some sort of response. If you've been submitting entries via the wish form and haven't received any responses let me know (off-list) and I can look into it. Thanks, Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Louis RyanSent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list? Ive posted in the spirit of improving flex so find it here with asample to play with... http://whittlin.blogspot.com/--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Louis Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Hi Matt, Some feedback. I agree that you guys have been very responsive regarding the wishlist, but I would definitely be down for a more open bug tracking system for released codebases such as the Flex 2 framework code. I know that is by no means a small initiative, but it would be very cool. Thanks, -Daniel Matt Chotin wrote: Hi, The section in the license that talks about this is 2.1.1, you can read it in its ugly detail here: http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeFlexBuilder2_0-FlexCharting2_0.pdf http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/AdobeFlexBuilder2_0-FlexCharting2_0.pdf. The bottom line is: yes you can modify, yes you can publish your modifications, and yes you can even publish them here (or on your blog). Someone asked about how you can get those patches to us for our consideration. The best way is probably to submit an entry via the wish form (http://www.adobe.com/go/wish http://www.adobe.com/go/wish) and as you describe the enhancement you’re requesting mention that you have code in there for us to look at. As appropriate someone will contact you to request the code. I know that the wishlist system does seem somewhat closed but I think that we’ve actually been very good about being responsive to customers as we’ve been informed of problems. We may not be able to respond to every single one. I think the most common time when we may not respond is if what you report is a duplicate of something we are already tracking, though even then I believe that we try to send some sort of response. If you’ve been submitting entries via the wish form and haven’t received any responses let me know (off-list) and I can look into it. Thanks, Matt *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Louis Ryan *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:44 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list? Ive posted in the spirit of improving flex so find it here with a sample to play with... http://whittlin.blogspot.com/ http://whittlin.blogspot.com/ --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Louis Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Renaun, I don't think Louis changes can be placed in extension layer as they would involve access to private methods and variables. I think his question is if Adobe foresee making Flex framework open source project administered by Adobe and is looking for repository/approval process. I alsobelieve ( from reading the license in the past - can be wrong - did not talk to lawyers) that working in mx. packages is not allowed - so in the past any changes of that sort required us to recreate significant part of Flex stack. Addressing this issue via open source project would greatly simplify life of the people doing routine changes to framework and needing those changes to be present. The only other alternative I can see is to replicating Flex objects in open source project and making sure they are synchronized with the releases of Flex. However, it might lead to significant market fragmentation as well as break of existing libraries that are working within mx packages like Mercury. I would really like to hear Adobe position on Louis offer. Thank you, Anatole Tartakovsky http://www.faratasystems.com On 9/16/06, Renaun Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can always extend the class, make your own component and post iton Flex Exchange on Adobe.com.Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Louis Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Renaun, Thanks for the follow up. I tried what you suggested for quite a while unfortunately there are some issues with the inheritance structure of DataGrid that make it impossible to implement this behavior without patching. In particular the following issues with the DataGrid class make subclassing to control the layout very difficult - calcualteColumnSizes is private and not overridable (this is where the heavy lifting occurs to layout the columns) - resizeColumns is mx_internal protected which I assume means you can override but dont be suprised if this changes later :) - commitEditedItemPosition also private I also tried subclassing DataGridBase but then you cant reuse DataGridItemRenderer of DataGridColumn as they depend on DataGrid and not DataGridBase. Id be happy to send you the patched version off list if yould like to take a look. Cheers -Louis --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Renaun Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can always extend the class, make your own component and post it on Flex Exchange on Adobe.com. Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Louis Ryan louiscryan@ wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
Anatole I see your point about Adobe and open source. I would prefer it closed with the ability to modified more than making it fully open source. There are good and bad reasons for both ways. In the components I have created quite often I learn and take bits of pieces from the source of the Flex framework and have had great success (even with private variable quirks). I think what we have now is a big step to what we had before and will get more and more open as time goes on. Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Renaun, I don't think Louis changes can be placed in extension layer as they would involve access to private methods and variables. I think his question is if Adobe foresee making Flex framework open source project administered by Adobe and is looking for repository/approval process. I also believe ( from reading the license in the past - can be wrong - did not talk to lawyers) that working in mx. packages is not allowed - so in the past any changes of that sort required us to recreate significant part of Flex stack. Addressing this issue via open source project would greatly simplify life of the people doing routine changes to framework and needing those changes to be present. The only other alternative I can see is to replicating Flex objects in open source project and making sure they are synchronized with the releases of Flex. However, it might lead to significant market fragmentation as well as break of existing libraries that are working within mx packages like Mercury. I would really like to hear Adobe position on Louis offer. Thank you, Anatole Tartakovsky http://www.faratasystems.com On 9/16/06, Renaun Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can always extend the class, make your own component and post it on Flex Exchange on Adobe.com http://adobe.com/. Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Louis Ryan louiscryan@ wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: Posting patched versions of framework code to this list?
You can always extend the class, make your own component and post it on Flex Exchange on Adobe.com. Renaun --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Louis Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have modified the DataGrid class to allow columns to be locked on the right. I posted this as an enhancement request to Adobe but its not so easy to include alot of text in their suggestion area so I didnt include the sample code I had for this. Is it OK to post modified versions of the Flex framework code here? If not is there a better way to send suggested code/patches to Adobe for review? Thanks Louis Ryan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
