Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary ...how did they get multibillion dollar again? - Original Message - From: Jonathan Bezuidenhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price? I find that hard to believe From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bezuidenhout Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
You would have a hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT... T. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: 19 July 2005 15:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price? I find that hard to believe From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bezuidenhout Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan This communication together with any attachments transmitted with it (this E-Mail) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this E-Mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this E-Mail is strictly prohibited. Addressees should check this E-mail for viruses. The Company makes no representations as regards the absence of viruses in this E-Mail. If you have received this E-Mail in error please notify our IT Service Desk immediately by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please then immediately delete, erase or otherwise destroy this E-Mail and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company. Nothing in this E-Mail shall bind the Company in any contract or obligation. For the purposes of this E-Mail the Company means The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. Please feel free to visit our website: http:// www.carphonewarehouse.com or http://www.phonehouse.com The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc (Registered in England No. 3253714) 1 Portal Way, London W3 6RS -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Depends what you're comparing. If I was
atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open
source solutions and then seeing what ourapplication requirements were;
I'd be asking why we were spendingANY thousands of pounds on proprietary
software over seemingly free alternatives.
Especiallysince...
"We
were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we
already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it
for."
...I'd
be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest
potential yet?
To be
fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand
on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies
policies?
T.
-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Rick
BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:27To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
You would have a
hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits
and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an
issue
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up
in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard to
believe
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
On a slightly different
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg
onour faces.I think we have come
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally
outof the market.Jonathan
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I don't think that's true, even at bigger organisations you see a shift
to use of free (opensource) software.
Even when 225k is not a lot of money for a company, if you can safe it,
its easy money.
Its also a strange thing that you pay 30% more for a flex license in
europe, and please, don't say those are the shippingcosts :-P
Greets,
Sjors
Rick Bullotta wrote:
You would
have a hard time convincing me
that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs
in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:26
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Just because
a company is worth multiples
of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: 19 July 2005
15:21
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Your
multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K???
And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a
volume price?
I find that
hard to believe
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Bezuidenhout
Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:05
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
On a
slightly different note.
I
can tell
you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is
most
likely
about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something
like
8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and
the
pricing
is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.
Management
is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something
non-proprietary
and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on
our
faces.
I
think we
have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out
of
the
market.
Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Agree with you. But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission critical would seem tiny probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two. I also agree with your choice of wording in seemingly free alternatives. J - Rick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Depends what you're comparing. If I was atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what ourapplication requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spendingANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especiallysince... We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies? T. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Apple
say that price flucuations in their hardware isto do with local taxes, who
am I to argue?
Oh,
and shipping costs ;)
T.
-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sjors
PalsSent: 19 July 2005 15:46To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?I don't think that's true, even at bigger
organisations you see a shift to use of free (opensource) software.Even
when 225k is not a lot of money for a company, if you can safe it, its easy
money.Its also a strange thing that you pay 30% more for a flex license in europe, and please, don't say those are the shippingcosts :-P
Greets,SjorsRick
Bullotta wrote:
You would have a
hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits
and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an
issue
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Just because a
company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied
up in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard
to believe
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan BezuidenhoutSent:
Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
On a slightly
different note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex ismost likely about
to be thrown out. We were going to buy
somethinglike 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude
we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.Management is
ready to cut their losses and redevelop with
somethingnon-proprietary and we (the ones that really
wanted Flex) have egg onour
faces.I think we have come to the point where MM has
priced Flex totally outof the
market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Wasn't
sure that'd be picked up on ;)
I
gather from Jons wording though, they aren't using it for mission critical. Maybe they use it to schedule janitorial duties :)
T.
-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Rick
BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:42To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Agree with
you. But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be
mission critical would seem tiny probably the same as the janitorial
budget for a day or two. I also agree with your choice of
wording in seemingly free alternatives. J
-
Rick
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:38 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Depends what you're
comparing. If I was atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex,
comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what
ourapplication requirements were; I'd be asking why we were
spendingANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly
free alternatives. Especiallysince...
"We were going to buy
something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it
for."
...I'd be asking why
you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet?
To be fair, we're
making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his
statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies
policies?
T.
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
It's kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer ) and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure.
Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a large project and run into trouble
So, don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to improve
ValyRick Bullotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would have a hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...
T.
-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price?
I find that hard to believe
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
On a slightly different note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg onour faces.I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Hi Rick its always an Issue. I work in the same kind of company and they always see IT Department/Group as a place to cut COSTS. They always want you to build them World Class solution on shoe string budgets and who are you to complain? Unless you found another job somewhere else J Regards. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:27 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? You would have a hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT... T. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: 19 July 2005 15:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price? I find that hard to believe From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bezuidenhout Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan This communication together with any attachments transmitted with it (this E-Mail) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this E-Mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this E-Mail is strictly prohibited. Addressees should check this E-mail for viruses. The Company makes no representations as regards the absence of viruses in this E-Mail. If you have received this E-Mail in error please notify our IT Service Desk immediately by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please then immediately delete, erase or otherwise destroy this E-Mail and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company. Nothing in this E-Mail shall bind the Company in any contract or obligation. For the purposes of this E-Mail the Company means The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. Please feel free to visit our website: http:// www.carphonewarehouse.com or http://www.phonehouse.com The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc (Registered in England No. 3253714) 1 Portal Way, London W3 6RS -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I think the critical factor is the first flex project. Thats what will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project needs to make a statementor you may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash. -Stace From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Agree with you. But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission critical would seem tiny probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two. I also agree with your choice of wording in seemingly free alternatives. J - Rick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Depends what you're comparing. If I was atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what ourapplication requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spendingANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especiallysince... We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies? T. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
We resell quite a bit of software in our US and European
offices and that's almost always tariffs and VAT. It's true of just about
every US software product that exists.
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sjors
PalsSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:46 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I don't think that's true, even at bigger organisations you see a
shift to use of free (opensource) software.Even when 225k is not a lot of
money for a company, if you can safe it, its easy money.Its also a
strange thing that you pay 30% more for a flex license in europe, and please,
don't say those are the shippingcosts :-P
Greets,SjorsRick Bullotta
wrote:
You would have a
hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits
and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an
issue
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Just because a
company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up
in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard to
believe
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
On a slightly different
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg
onour faces.I think we have come
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valy
SivecSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
It's
kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in
Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people
ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer )
and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure.
Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this
Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not
forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a
large project and run into trouble
So,
don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the
licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the
product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to
improve
ValyRick Bullotta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would have a
hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits
and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an
issue
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Just because a
company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up
in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard to
believe
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
On a slightly different
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg
onour faces.I think we have come
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Let's add a FlashComm license on top of that
;)
Philippe
Maegerman
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valy
SivecSent: mardi 19 juillet 2005 16:51To:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
It's
kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in
Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people
ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer )
and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure.
Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this
Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not
forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a
large project and run into trouble
So,
don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the
licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the
product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to
improve
ValyRick Bullotta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would have a
hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits
and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an
issue
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Just because a
company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up
in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard to
believe
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
On a slightly different
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg
onour faces.I think we have come
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
These are excellent points. The thing that I would
ask is why would anyone need that many licenses? I guess I could see this
when you're using RemoteObjects or possibly the proxy. Given that
RemoteObjects use a binary protocol, they have limited use. And the proxy
services are only necessary if you have web services on other boxes...and if you
do, you can always cleverly redirect these to get around sandbox restrictions.
What we have seen is that after deploy time, the flex engine just sits there and
does nothing but of course we made an architectural choice to use web services
as our communications protocol cutting out the need for the
RemoteObjects.
Carson
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valy
SivecSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:50 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
It's
kinda childish to think that for a billion dollar company 60k-120k in
Flex's fees isstill abargain... Don't know whysome people
ignore the fact that Flex is just only a component ( presentation layer )
and in addition to Flex you have to invest in J2EE or .NET infrastructure.
Imagine having Websphere/.NET, Oracle/Db2/SQLServer and on top of this
Flex. How much it would cost a company for all of this? Also, let's not
forget about the training costs, consultants you need to have in case you have a
large project and run into trouble
So,
don't get me wrong... I like Flex and I think is a good product, but the
licence's fees are too high in my opinion. In addition to a high price, the
product is still in early stages, performance wise are still things to
improve
ValyRick Bullotta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would have a
hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits
and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an
issue
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anthony
MerryfieldSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a
flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Just because a
company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up
in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
Your multibillion
dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a
purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume
price?
I find that hard to
believe
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday,
July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy
a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the
license?
On a slightly different
note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar
organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown
out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have,
andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we
need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses
and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and
we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg
onour faces.I think we have come
to the point where MM has priced Flex totally
outof the market.Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
It also depends upon the type of information in the RIA that your team builds. For example, if you are spending a ton of money for a 3-5 tier setup where everything is load balanced, but the app is only going to be used a few thousand times a week, you are probably not going to be saving that much. If you are building an application where you can show that seconds saved off of a single transaction saves the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a day you can probably get away with a bit more probably. Just one of those things where a company may not be wiling to spend $10 to save $1000. Jeff Founder Flex Authority http://www.flexauthority.com We are actively seeking contributors for the site. Have a sample that you want to share with the world? Send it to us! From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:27 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? You would have a hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT... T. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: 19 July 2005 15:21 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price? I find that hard to believe From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bezuidenhout Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan This communication together with any attachments transmitted with it (this E-Mail) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this E-Mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this E-Mail is strictly prohibited. Addressees should check this E-mail for viruses. The Company makes no representations as regards the absence of viruses in this E-Mail. If you have received this E-Mail in error please notify our IT Service Desk immediately by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please then immediately delete, erase or otherwise destroy this E-Mail and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company. Nothing in this E-Mail shall bind the Company in any contract or obligation. For the purposes of this E-Mail the Company means The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. Please feel free to visit our website: http:// www.carphonewarehouse.com or http://www.phonehouse.com The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc (Registered in England No. 3253714) 1 Portal Way, London W3 6RS -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Thought I'd kick in a story... I'm on a project @ one of the largest IT company's in the world and was talking with the lead on diff project in the same office (for one of the biggest clients here). They were really tyring to get the client to go down the flex road on the project. (It was initially a flash design.) However the deployment was to a rather large server farm. The licensing quote from MM for the deployment worked out to be around $750K U.S. (or more... i forget... i was too busy trying to re-hinge my jaw) The client said no to flex for this particular project and decided to go with flash because of the licensing price tag. that was equal to or more 750K . To which the company promptly said k ya no... 2 much doughOn 7/19/05, Anthony Merryfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT... T. -Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And don't you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price? I find that hard to believe… From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg onour faces.I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally outof the market.Jonathan This communication together with any attachments transmitted with it (this E-Mail) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this E-Mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this E-Mail is strictly prohibited. Addressees should check this E-mail for viruses. The Company makes no representations as regards the absence of viruses in this E-Mail. If you have received this E-Mail in error please notify our IT Service Desk immediately by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please then immediately delete, erase or otherwise destroy this E-Mail and any copies of it. Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company. Nothing in this E-Mail shall bind the Company in any contract or obligation. For the purposes of this E-Mail the Company means The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. Please feel free to visit our website: http:// www.carphonewarehouse.com or http://www.phonehouse.com The Carphone Warehouse Group Plc (Registered in England No. 3253714) 1 Portal Way, London W3 6RS -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Many times companies have a portfolio of apps that are sold to their clients. Due to some usability things, if you have a client that likes Flex interfaces or accepted an application written in Flex because it looks cool or is just different... going back to straight HTML/JSP/ASPapp will be a though sell... So that's why many times even if Flex is not the best solution, cost wise, you have to stick with it in case you want to keep the client happy... It's a though situation and because of the higher costs of software, the end product is becoming more expensive and implicit hard to sell So one one part, the client seems happy with the app but he cannot climb the cost barrier... and you get the "No, thank you" message
I think that is a matter of time for people to realize that accepting Flex adds a some significant costs to the existing architecture. In case you manage to sell the product than you're happy, but it depends for how long you can do that, when management first move all the time is cut the IT costs I recommend you the book"World is flat" - for anyone that still believe that IT cost is not a problem
ValyJeff Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It also depends upon the type of information in the RIA that your team builds. For example, if you are spending a ton of money for a 3-5 tier setup where everything is load balanced, but the app is only going to be used a few thousand times a week, you are probably not going to be saving that much. If you are building an application where you can show that seconds saved off of a single transaction saves the company hundreds of thousands of dollars a day you can probably get away with a bit more probably.
Just one of those things where a company may not be wiling to spend $10 to save $1000.
Jeff
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:27 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
You would have a hard time convincing me that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:26 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Just because a company is worth multiples of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...
T.
-Original Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: 19 July 2005 15:21To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price?
I find that hard to believe
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan BezuidenhoutSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
On a slightly different note.I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex ismost likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy somethinglike 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with somethingnon-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg onour faces.I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally outof the market.Jonathan
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Hi, If you have ever worked for a large corp, you will know that in the end, things are made up of small depts with maybe small pots of budgets. Only difference is that there are people that make decisionson how the pot of money is spent. And then there are committees that make decisions (e.g. corporate architecture) - unless you have buy-in from all of those, they will not go to bat for you. Each of those have a voice in the end. The people that negotiate pricing is one of those groups. If you end up with several groups against you, then you are in trouble. In our case, our app is considered important, but not critical by all means. It was however the first one to use Flex and would have been an example of what can be done. Since we started working on it, the corporate IT has taken a very different direction and large parts of work is being sourced out to outside vendors. We need many licenses because we have so many environments - we have clustered weblogic instances over many different geographic regions - for each of those, we have development, testing, staging and production systems - they very quickly add up. Unfortunately due to the nature of what we do, you cannot just share a bunch of systems on a single unix box or watever to save on licenses. The fact that MM has just been taken over by Adobe is also not helping the situation as it is creating more uncertainty. They are not sure if Flex is going to disappear or what the commitment is to it. In our case, other than selling us something, I do not believe anyone from MM has ever contacted us again to try and maintain an ongoing relationship (from what I know). So all these things start to add up. The fact that we can make changes very quickly and create a very good quality product is not necessarily the determining factor at the end of the day. I think a big part of the problem is that we have a 'I told you so' situation now. We went for something proprietary, and now that we need to expand, we are basically held to ransom. That kind of thing scares companies. Flex did not go through the same amout of scrutiny as other products to be officially approved and considered a strategic direction. We can sit here and postulate for hours and hours about how stupid all of this is and how this is a drop in the bucket - and I agree. Unfortunately we are not the ones writing the cheque at the end of the day. Apparantly the sales person we are dealing with now is new to us - maybe he will come up with something creative. Jonathan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Hi Stace,I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at Flex for one of our software projects.I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in general, whether it is worth the money etcUsability improvements and reduced development costs are always a huge benefit :)Cheers,NadenOn 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote:I think the critical factor is the first flex project. That’s what will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project needs to make a statement…or you may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash. -Stace From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Agree with you. But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be “mission critical” would seem tiny – probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two. I also agree with your choice of wording in “seemingly free alternatives…”. J - RickFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony MerryfieldSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Depends what you're comparing. If I was a technical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what our application requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spending ANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especially since... "We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, andthe pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for." ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies? T.--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Just my opinion but to get it right the first time and make that positive impact, its going to cost you time and money. Not just in licensing costs but in developer ramp-up time and so forth. Secondly, you really need a fresh perspective from a design standpoint. Every single developer Ive seen start with this technology takes an existing UI implementation (html, jps, cfml etc) and attempts to convert this in identical form in flex. While thats probably a great learning process, Im sure there are teams out there that approach their entire first project in this manner. The results can be less than impressiveYour end users are looking at the same presentation of data and workflow combined with some new quirks and minor limitations that can drive folks bonkers if they dont see additional benefits. (Hey! How come I lose everything when I hit reload on my browser ?!) What Im babbling about here is you need to make real effort in the design phase to leverage the advantages of this rich platform. Youve now got an arsenal of tools for building sexy looking applications that fit your organizations workflow like a glove. You need to use em. In the end I believe the best chance of success lies with the level of satisfaction derived by the end users of an application. Constantly look for ways to refine your app towards making their lives faster, better, cheaper. Task oriented design rolled up into a smooth sexy package! Is it worth the cost? Im biased here but I believe so without a doubtalthough you wont see much cost savings until youre on your third project or so Just my soap box opinion hereits not always an easy path but I assure you its quite enjoyable. I had been so unbelievable bored with web app development over the past few yearsand flex has made things a helluva lot more interesting to say the least. Cheers! Stace From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of naden Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:03 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Hi Stace, I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at Flex for one of our software projects. I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in general, whether it is worth the money etc Usability improvements and reduced development costs are always a huge benefit :) Cheers, Naden On 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote: I think the critical factor is the first flex project. Thats what will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project needs to make a statementor you may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash. -Stace From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Agree with you. But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission critical would seem tiny probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two. I also agree with your choice of wording in seemingly free alternatives. J - Rick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Depends what you're comparing. If I was atechnical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what ourapplication requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spendingANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especiallysince... We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies? T. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
At Flex's old price making the case was do-able. Where I'm at now... One of our sub-companies wanted us to build a new intranet for them based on the apps we've built; and they were looking at about 16 CPUs in Web Servers and once they saw the price... They decided they'll skip on the Flex aspect of it. We're also a multi-billion dollar a year company. But they got that way because they're very careful about how they spend their cash. If there's a technology that gives them 50% less functionality, but costs 90% less...they'll opt for that instead. Yesterday I was presenting a proof of concept I made in Flex to a VP who reports to the CTO - and one of the first things he started asking about is was that made in Laszlo, and why I didn't make it in Laszlo. Fortunately the easy answer was... we already have a Flex license, so obviously we'll use it. But...definitely a very challenging sell at $15K/cpu. Rick Bullotta wrote: Your multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K??? And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a volume price? I find that hard to believe From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Bezuidenhout Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? On a slightly different note. I can tell you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is most likely about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. Management is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something non-proprietary and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on our faces. I think we have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out of the market. Jonathan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I've seen it happen where I work. I.T typically gets the remains of
whatever budget is left over. Product Development gets first dibs at
the budget.
Rick Bullotta wrote:
You would
have a hard time convincing me
that, if there are application development benefits and sunk costs
in development, that (after discounts) $60-125K is an issue
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield
Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:26
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Just because
a company is worth multiples
of billions doesn't mean that the money is tied up in IT...
T.
-Original
Message-
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: 19 July 2005
15:21
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Your
multibillion dollar company is hedging on $120K-$225K???
And dont you have a purchasing organization that can negotiate a
volume price?
I find that
hard to believe
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Bezuidenhout
Sent: Tuesday, July
19, 2005 10:05
AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[flexcoders] Re: If I
buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
On a
slightly different note.
I
can tell
you that in our multibillion dollar organization Flex is
most
likely
about to be thrown out. We were going to buy something
like
8 or 14
additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and
the
pricing
is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for.
Management
is ready to cut their losses and redevelop with something
non-proprietary
and we (the ones that really wanted Flex) have egg on
our
faces.
I
think we
have come to the point where MM has priced Flex totally out
of
the
market.
Jonathan
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I've been reading on this post for a bit and I find it funny, that anybody could consider the initial cost of any software development environment the ONLY cost. As it has been said before and alluded to in other posts, while Flex is a wonderful piece of software, version 2 is coming, and I would expect that version 3, 4, 5 are already in the works, to work out the bugs and enhancements (unless somebody changed the software model). With each I have to assume would be upgrade costs with new training etc... The bean counters have to look at the reality of the situation, that next year the costs could double or triple the cost of any project, per the software vendor, and since Flex is only one part any software project, it's making harder and harder to justify the costs of licensing. So unless MM is not going to charge for upgrades, or there going to put out a product that works, the first time out, then there are going to be residual costs to have to justify. Just a thought JT -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kaibabsowats Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:52 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? My question about this story is your take on the cost of development of Flash compared to Flex. Figure in development cost (Design Time, Training, Maintenance, etc. ) for one 1 year or more. Is there a big enough difference in Staff Costs to warrant a $750k licensing of Flex over a longer period of time. I experience between working on a Flash project with a team of 2 people can be hard to do unless you use all ActionScript files and 3rd Party Flash compilers. But to be able to use traditional Enterprise development strategies with Flex development has saved lots of time and Staff costs. But I can see where some applications will not work with the way Flex is licensing their servers because of the high price tag. I do agree that Flex prices hinder proper server farming when designing an application. Do most people believe there is a real money benefit with Developer salary/time costs when comparing Flex development to Flash development? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought I'd kick in a story... I'm on a project @ one of the largest IT company's in the world and was talking with the lead on diff project in the same office (for one of the biggest clients here). They were really tyring to get the client to go down the flex road on the project. (It was initially a flash design.) However the deployment was to a rather large server farm. The licensing quote from MM for the deployment worked out to be around $750K U.S. (or more... i forget... i was too busy trying to re-hinge my jaw) The client said no to flex for this particular project and decided to go with flash because of the licensing price tag. that was equal to or more 750K . To which the company promptly said k ya no... 2 much dough -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Hey Matt... can host another persons flex app on my license? *i would charge them for it*On 7/19/05, ejames8124 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Take a look at http://www.openlaszlo.org/ this is an open sourceversion of a server side flash code generator that in the latest 3.xversion is matched very closely in features as Flex. It doesn't haveas fully featured a development environment as Flex Builder but the current Open Source IDE for Laszlo is produced by IBM for the EclipseIDE environment and unlike Flex it is cross platform in thedevelopment side and best of all it is free. Don't get me wrong Ithink that Flex is great but the server cost just isn't in most organizations budget.--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, naden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stace, I am over here at a university in Perth, Australia and are looking at Flex for one of our software projects. I would be immensely grateful if you had any thoughts on Flex in general, whether it is worth the money etc Usability improvements and reduced development costs are always a huge benefit :) Cheers, Naden On 19/07/2005, at 10:52 PM, Stacy Young wrote: I think the critical factor is the first flex project. That's what will make or break the perception of bean counters. Usability improvements, reduced development costs, look and feel all come into play. That very first project needs to make a statement…or you may be up the creek the next time you go to the till for licensing cash. -Stace From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:42 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Agree with you.But 125K for a system that would be deployed broadly and may be mission critical would seem tiny – probably the same as the janitorial budget for a day or two.I also agree with your choice of wording in seemingly free alternatives….J - Rick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Merryfield Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Depends what you're comparing. If I was a technical beancounter looking at the cost of Flex, comparing it to open source solutions and then seeing what our application requirements were; I'd be asking why we were spending ANY thousands of pounds on proprietary software over seemingly free alternatives. Especially since... We were going to buy something like 8 or 14 additional licenses to the multitude we already have, and the pricing is just totally ridiculous for what we need it for. ...I'd be asking why you need more licenses if you are not using it to it's fullest potential yet? To be fair, we're making judgements on one piece of a puzzle - maybe Jon could expand on his statement before we sit here waxing lyrical about his companies policies? T. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.comYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Someone sent part of this thread to us while we were down and I forwarded it to product management. Hopefully we will see a more official answer from someone who understands the license in all its glory detail. So this is coming from me with my trivial understanding of the license and is *not* the official Macromedia answer: Q: Can you host another users Flex application and charge them for it A: No, this essentially turns you into a hosting provider and that is not allowed by the license right now, though we are working to see if this could work in the future. You would especially not be allowed to host using an NCL license, but that probably didnt need to be said J Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:00 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? Hey Matt... can host another persons flex app on my license? *i would charge them for it* -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
*shakes head*On 7/18/05, Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't quote line/verse, but I do know that MM has said repeatedly that third party hosting is not permitted under any Flex license.. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
*yoda voice* confusing mm's motives are On 7/18/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *shakes head*On 7/18/05, Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't quote line/verse, but I do know that MM has said repeatedly that third party hosting is not permitted under any Flex license.. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Asp basis would work for my situation... I can't see it being a big deal... It's per cpu right? *snickers* BUT ITS NOT PER CORE!!!... muahahahahaha... On 7/18/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *yoda voice* confusing mm's motives are On 7/18/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *shakes head*On 7/18/05, Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't quote line/verse, but I do know that MM has said repeatedly that third party hosting is not permitted under any Flex license.. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I cant quote line/verse, but I do know that MM has said repeatedly that third party hosting is not permitted under any Flex license.. Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Modien Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
From what I understand, only on an ASP basis. I.e. you can only host what you create for your clients. -someone correct me if I'm wrongplease :) - Original Message - From: Clint Modien To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
Well what if I developed a Flex application, sold it or gave it to you, and you got it going on your machine. You're 'hosting' my application, which I believe is legal. The only thing I see is section 3c: Unless otherwise provided herein, you may not rent, lease, or sublicense the Software. Does that mean as long as you don't charge for running an app you didn't develop yourself, you're good? Clint Modien wrote: anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
You might want to mention if you are planning on charging for your hosting. If it's free: I'm not sure, but you probably can't. If it's not free: I dont think so. On 7/18/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Daniel Cascais Tel: +56 (0)2 4589495 Cel: +56 (0)9 9417355 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license?
I would love to get a definitive answer on this question from someone at MM. Question: Can you follow an ASP model with a server running Flex? Thanks, Keldon Rush Principal Spiral9 5814 4th Ave NW Seattle WA 98107 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: 206.349.8690 w: www.spiral9.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Cascais Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: If I buy a flex license can I host other peoples apps on the license? You might want to mention if you are planning on charging for your hosting. If it's free: I'm not sure, but you probably can't. If it's not free: I dont think so. On 7/18/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone? On 7/15/05, Clint Modien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question I thought I'd kick out there to MM. -- Daniel Cascais Tel: +56 (0)2 4589495 Cel: +56 (0)9 9417355 -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Computer software testing Macromedia flex Development Software developer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
