Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
I'm a bit confused by those telling the original poster to go complain to Eclipse... Flex Builder is not free. If there's a bug in Flex Builder, even if it relates to something Adobe didn't develop, Adobe is certainly responsible for the bugs because they took our money for an application with a specific set of features (I didn't pay a discounted price for just a plug-in to Eclipse, I bought a whole app -- the fact that it's based on Eclipse should make Adobe's job easier, not my job harder...). And as evidence that it's not just an Eclipse thing in a component Adobe didn't develop: the MXML diff is *orders* slower than the AS (or plain text) compare (another bug that needs to get fixed ASAP) so that definitely relates to Adobe... Troy.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
It sounds to me like you aren't confused, you just disagree. :-) On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Troy Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'm a bit confused by those telling the original poster to go complain to Eclipse... -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
I'm a bit confused by those telling the original poster to go complain to Eclipse... It sounds to me like you aren't confused, you just disagree. :-) Touche... Troy.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, That's how Eclipse and Beyond Compare have always interacted, through a plugin. It's not a workaround, it's using the builtin capabilities of the platform to add functionality. I still don't understand why to use some fancy-shmancy add-ons while you've got pretty good tool (when it works) straight in the package. Why do you need this Beyond Control anyway? You need it for when the pretty good tool that's in the package doesn't cut it for the task at hand. Like merging 37 different but similar code bases into The One True Codebase. No, that's not a hypothetical example. BC has features that make the developer's life easier in hairy (and not so hairy) cases like that. It's got features that the Eclipse Compare tool just doesn't have. Tastes vary, I prefer BC. Now if they'd work on a Mac port I'd be really happy. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, That's how Eclipse and Beyond Compare have always interacted, through a plugin. It's not a workaround, it's using the builtin capabilities of the platform to add functionality. I still don't understand why to use some fancy-shmancy add-ons while you've got pretty good tool (when it works) straight in the package. Why do you need this Beyond Control anyway? actionscript. Do you think that Eclipse comes with code-hinting for MXML? Nope, it is Adobe's development. And if there is a bug with code hinting you should raise it with Adobe, not Eclipse. Cheers, Dmitri.
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
Hi Douglas, Probably, it does not change the point. If you buy a box of software and it contains the bug it is quite normal to expect that distributor will issue a patch for it. If Compare tool is an external add-on, it will be so easy to Adobe, just to grab the .jar and add to the next update. I can't see the problem here. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it not just using the Eclipse tools for compare? DK On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon, guys! I don't believe that I am the only one who uses Compare tool in Flex Builder. There was even an article in Cosmo that it's becoming popular among AIR developers to use Compare tool before checking their cool stuff into SVN :) http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-12492 Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski mitek17@ wrote: Hi guys, Internal diff tool in FB3 sucks big time. It worked in FB2, but someone decided that this thing is too good for this world and changed it. This ugly proportional font and this terrible performance are just unbearable! Single diff on 1000 lines files takes around 50 seconds. Multiply it by 10-20 per day and this is a stolen time from you. It is time to change this. Here is the place to vote for this bug: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-12492 Sweet Adobe, please have a mercy on us all and give us back the simple, no-gimmick diff, which is just works. Cheers, Dmitri. -- http://mitek.id.au/blog -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
Is it not just using the Eclipse tools for compare? DK On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon, guys! I don't believe that I am the only one who uses Compare tool in Flex Builder. There was even an article in Cosmo that it's becoming popular among AIR developers to use Compare tool before checking their cool stuff into SVN :) http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-12492 Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Internal diff tool in FB3 sucks big time. It worked in FB2, but someone decided that this thing is too good for this world and changed it. This ugly proportional font and this terrible performance are just unbearable! Single diff on 1000 lines files takes around 50 seconds. Multiply it by 10-20 per day and this is a stolen time from you. It is time to change this. Here is the place to vote for this bug: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-12492 Sweet Adobe, please have a mercy on us all and give us back the simple, no-gimmick diff, which is just works. Cheers, Dmitri. -- http://mitek.id.au/blog -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
It worked perfectly in FB2. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we don't think it's Adobe's responsibility to change something that they didn't write. The Compare tool is a base Eclipse function. If you don't like the font choice, why not change it in the Preferences? I haven't noticed that it was so terrible. And if you really don't like it that much use the External Tools Plugin and BeyondCompare. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon, guys! I don't believe that I am the only one who uses Compare tool in Flex Builder. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just looked at that BeyondCompare - too much hassle to get it working with Eclipse + SVN +BC. Tortoise SVN works perfectly anyway under Windows. Under Mac... well, at least those guys should suffer from something :) Dude, what's the hassle? You install a plugin for Eclipse, point the plugin at the BC executable and you're off... No, seriously, why do you think that out-of-box solution should be tweaked? It's not free, it is unreasonably overpriced (at least in Oz and other uncool countries) and it's getting more and more harder to work with. All I'm saying is that you should lay the blame where it really belongs. It's not like Adobe wrote the Compare functionality in FB3, they're using what's already in Eclipse (font changes notwithstanding). If you want to point out to the Eclipse community that you think their diff functionality sucks, then you are probably going to get more traction over at eclipse.org(but not if it's phrased that way :-) ). -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
Dude, what's the hassle? You install a plugin for Eclipse, point the plugin at the BC executable and you're off... I just like when everything works. It worked before, now it is broken. And surprisingly, I am not happy with this fact, as instead of doing what I used to do I have to find some workarounds. I am pushed anyway to use Tortoise SVN directly without Subclipse, but I can't stand seeing Mac guys suffering from this bug. All I'm saying is that you should lay the blame where it really belongs. It's not like Adobe wrote the Compare functionality in FB3, they're using So, when your car breaks, do you call directly Bosch AG and ask why this bloody alternator stopped working? I think you would simply send your car to the dealer you've bought the car from. :) FB is not a just an Eclipse Flex SDK tied up together. Look at the Adobe bugs db - there are hundreds and hundreds of bugs just for the Builder itself. Cheers, Dmitri.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, what's the hassle? You install a plugin for Eclipse, point the plugin at the BC executable and you're off... I just like when everything works. It worked before, now it is broken. And surprisingly, I am not happy with this fact, as instead of doing what I used to do I have to find some workarounds. Nope, That's how Eclipse and Beyond Compare have always interacted, through a plugin. It's not a workaround, it's using the builtin capabilities of the platform to add functionality. The same way it's able to work with mxml and actionscript. Do you think that Eclipse comes with code-hinting for MXML? No, it's there because some bright Java programmers used the innate functionality of Eclipse to allow it to do more than the stock distribution. All I'm saying is that you should lay the blame where it really belongs. It's not like Adobe wrote the Compare functionality in FB3, they're using So, when your car breaks, do you call directly Bosch AG and ask why this bloody alternator stopped working? I think you would simply send your car to the dealer you've bought the car from. :) No, but that's irrelevant as we're not talking about my Passat, we're talking about Flex Builder and Eclipse. FB is not a just an Eclipse Flex SDK tied up together. Look at the Adobe bugs db - there are hundreds and hundreds of bugs just for the Builder itself. Never said it was just the two things mashed together. I'm sure there are issues with the code from Adobe. But those are the things that deserve to be logged in the Adobe bugs db, not stuff about code they didn't write. To turn your analogy around, if I use Flex Builder to write Java code and I have an issue there, should I harangue Adobe about it? No. I should send the issue to the Java EE team at the Eclipse Foundation. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
Nope, That's how Eclipse and Beyond Compare have always interacted, through a plugin. Is so hard just to vote for the bug ? You can make at least one person happier :)
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
Hi Kelly Why don't you just use Tortoise Diff? I use Tortoise SVN most of the time. Instead of Subclipse which sucks and instead of internal diff which also sucks. Tortoise SVN is a really great tool. But we also have guys on Macs and they don't have it. All stuff I tried for OS X is very undeveloped. And the command line option is too hard for for them. And what the hell are you doing so many Diff's for? Do you constantly forget what code you just wrote? Because it is a fairly large project, several developers are making changes to the same files. Also, we have to maintain branches to keep the released version for quick bugfixes, feature branches and trunk. This stuff requires a lot of merging (damn Subclipse!) and a lot of diffing which is a killer. Cheers, Dmitri.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
It's not hard, I just see the same bugs you see.The only bug I've seen so far is that the preferences option that should let you set the text for the Compare doesn't actually change it in the FB3 Standalone version I'm running. And surely you can find something more worthy of making you happier than me voting for the bug? Like maybe it's late in the day on Friday (here at least) and almost time to forget about this for a few days? ;-) On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is so hard just to vote for the bug ? You can make at least one person happier :) -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we also have guys on Macs and they don't have it. All stuff I tried for OS X is very undeveloped. And the command line option is too hard for for them. Which SVN tools have you tried on the Mac? The only one I have any time with is svnx. For the amount to time I've used it, it wasn't too bad. The only problem I've had was when the repository was using a self-signed SSL certificate, then I had to connect via command line and import the cert before the GUI would work. Have you tried any of the commercial products? I dimly remember a tool that was doing the same sort of integration that Tortoise does but I also didn't like it for some now forgotten reason. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
Kelly, what's the bug number on that? On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I wish they would bring Subclipse up to par with Tortoise. I work on Linux so there is no Tortoise either. I will vote for your bug if you will vote for the Templates enhancement. Not having templates pisses me off continuously. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
[flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
I guess i need to use tortoise more often. I use Eclipse and SVN daily and have for years. I don't see the problem (maybe i am lucky). In Eclipse Ganymede, there is now a built in SVN client. It used to be a separate product - http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/ I also noticed that people have issues with large files. I suggest that for large files you do some refactoring and come up with smaller files. The smaller the better especially if you have large development teams and/or are supporting multiple releases. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, what's the bug number on that? On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I wish they would bring Subclipse up to par with Tortoise. I work on Linux so there is no Tortoise either. I will vote for your bug if you will vote for the Templates enhancement. Not having templates pisses me off continuously. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Vote or loose! MXML diff sucks, let's change it!
https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-11842 I'd guess that one...hot number of votes that one, cast my ballot on this a way back. No freaking hanging chads on my ballot either, just a strong forceful 'hell yeah' click. DK On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, what's the bug number on that? On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I wish they would bring Subclipse up to par with Tortoise. I work on Linux so there is no Tortoise either. I will vote for your bug if you will vote for the Templates enhancement. Not having templates pisses me off continuously. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
