Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: The F-16 flies really well (not that I know what an F-16 is supposed to fly like.) Ground handling (especially braking) needs some work, but it's coming along very nicely. I don't know -- it seems pretty touchy. You come in just a few hundred

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: I don't know -- it seems pretty touchy. You come in just a few hundred knots too high and the flare lasts forever. There are definatelly still some problems with the F-16. The problem with a plane like the F-16 is the fact that every momentum generetad by the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: I don't know -- it seems pretty touchy. You come in just a few hundred knots too high and the flare lasts forever. One other thing, an F-16 has to be landed with a pitch angle between 11 and 15 (typically 13) degrees. Otherwise it will, indeed, keep flying no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: I don't know -- it seems pretty touchy. You come in just a few hundred knots too high and the flare lasts forever. One other thing, an F-16 has to be landed with a pitch angle between 11 and 15 (typically 13) degrees. Otherwise it will,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: I don't know -- it seems pretty touchy. You come in just a few hundred knots too high and the flare lasts forever. One other thing, an F-16 has to be landed with a pitch angle between 11 and 15 (typically 13) degrees. Otherwise it will,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] Base CVS update:FlightGear/FlightGear/Aircraft/f16/Panels

2003-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: I think, something went wrong here: It looks like it, put the following file in FlightGear/Aircraft/f16/Panels: http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/ded.xml Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] Base CVS update:FlightGear/FlightGear/Aircraft/f16/Panels

2003-03-13 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I think, something went wrong here: It looks like it, put the following file in FlightGear/Aircraft/f16/Panels: http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/ded.xml This one does the trick for the panel. I still see the glider from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Major A
Ignore the previous replay. 100 kt is about right. It definately shouldn't be much higher. But the lack of flaps makes it a bit difficult at this time. Really? Are you saying the F-16 can really approach that slowly? I'm not a pilot, but with FGFS, an 100kt approach in a 747 or A4 or TSR.2

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Andy Ross
Major A wrote: BTW, does anybody know at what angle planes (other than the Harrier) usually approach aircraft carriers? Pitch attitude angle or glide slope angle? Pitch depends a lot on the aircraft, somewhere between 8-12° is typical. I've read somewhere that the meatball/FLOLS glide slope

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] Base CVSupdate:FlightGear/FlightGear/Aircraft/f16/Panels

2003-03-13 Thread John Check
On Thursday 13 March 2003 7:13 am, Martin Spott wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed Mar 12 16:07:34 EST 2003 Author: cvsroot Update of /home/cvsroot/FlightGear/FlightGear/Aircraft/f16/Panels In directory dash:/tmp/cvs-serv31668/f16/Panels Modified Files: f16-2d-panel.xml

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Tony Peden
--- Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Major A wrote: Ignore the previous replay. 100 kt is about right. It definately shouldn't be much higher. But the lack of flaps makes it a bit difficult at this time. Really? Are you saying the F-16 can really approach that slowly? I'm not a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
Tony Peden wrote: Fighters, especially those that are supersonic, have relatively small wings. That's the biggest reason. Now that you mention it, I just heard a story of a group of R/C flyers that had modelled a scale model of an F-16. They encountered a problem where the aircraft could fly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:26:31 +0100 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They encountered a problem where the aircraft could fly past 2 degr. aoa. It took them quite long to learn that the wing root of the F-16 (the part of the fuselage that extends to underneath the canopy and where the wings

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Russell Suter
Andy Ross wrote: Major A wrote: BTW, does anybody know at what angle planes (other than the Harrier) usually approach aircraft carriers? Pitch attitude angle or glide slope angle? Pitch depends a lot on the aircraft, somewhere between 8-12 is typical. I've read

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call it a day.

2003-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
Jon S Berndt wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:26:31 +0100 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They encountered a problem where the aircraft could fly past 2 degr. aoa. It took them quite long to learn that the wing root of the F-16 (the part of the fuselage that extends to underneath the canopy

[Flightgear-devel] F-16; Was: Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] Base CVS

2003-03-13 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Check [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 2:22 pm, Martin Spott wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Modified Files: f16.xml Log Message: improved f-16 from Erik Hofman Oh, _very_ nice, but eerm, did anyone manage to get

Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-16

2003-03-13 Thread Martin Spott
Major A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I know why: I set --prop:/environment/turbulence-norm=1.0 in my ~/.fgfsrc and obviously this has impact even at ground level :-) Well... have you tried, BTW, to take off with the TSR.2 with crosswind? I did quite a few times and I'm pretty fine

[Flightgear-devel] Landing the F-16

2003-03-13 Thread David Megginson
I just managed to land and stop the F-16 with a 2900ft ground roll, and that was after bringing it in a little hot (about 150kt). Here are two tips: 1. Apply full up elevator against the braking (this is a good idea for most planes, since it helps to keep from nosing over). 2. Don't apply