Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
Some time ago a big company, which shall remain nameless, bought 3dfx. They have now opted to yank the 3dfx site, and all support for old cards with it. (That alone is reason enough not to buy their cards.) Yes, I wish there was more choice in the 3d graphics world. You could always try an ATI card. People have been reporting pretty good results with their cards. especially me, crying very loud :-) The first PeeCee is set up, dedicated to run FlightGear, is using a 3dfx Voodoo3 PCI with 16 MByte. No trouble at all with the moon. This machine has been running XFree86 in 4.0.1, 4.0.3 and 4.1.0. I don't know how much difference there is between Voodoo2 and -3, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:24:14PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote: the moon is using a blend mode other than the default blend mode so that we can blend it into the gradient sky. Thanks, that was exactly the information I needed to get me started. In my first try I changed the call to glBlendFunc(): In SimGear-0.0.17pre2/simgear/src/sky/moon.cxx: sgMoonOrbPreDraw() - line 55: glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE ) ; + line 55: glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA ) ; That worked, but made the moon look ugly. I could have been satisfied at this point and take the ugly moon for granted. However, on a hunch, I changed line 55 back and in sgMoonOrbPostDraw() uncommented line 65: - line 65: // glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA ) ; + line 65: glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA ) ; That works, _and_ produces a nice moon. So it appears that the problem lies not with the blend function itself, but in the way it is (not) handled by glPushAttrib()/glPopAttrib(). Does anyone object to leaving line 65 uncommented for now? Any leads for a more permanent solution? Yes, I wish there was more choice in the 3d graphics world. You could always try an ATI card. I'd love to. Please send plenty of money. :) I personally have very few complaints about my nvidia card. If it works, it works. As long as it is supported. Not a problem if you have enough financial room for regular upgrades, and don't care what happens to your old cards. And that's all I'm going to say about it on-list. - -- Regards,() =Martin= ASCII Ribbon Campaign Against HTML Mail /\ PGP: FE87448B DDF8 677C 9244 D119 4FE0 AE3A 37CF 3458 FE87 448B From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:24:14PM -0600 X-S-Issue: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002/02/14 13:42:54 f012d29695f35ee4e2e4d2c72a6eae85 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAjxrsNUACgkQN880WP6HRIsv5ACgt3uHfI4AvYQ8Wwt/ExYxUmxm qZIAn233KiFrOVUvZvIT5rZ6iwOB5jcK =vN69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:24:14PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote: the moon is using a blend mode other than the default blend mode so that we can blend it into the gradient sky. Thanks, that was exactly the information I needed to get me started. In my first try I changed the call to glBlendFunc(): In SimGear-0.0.17pre2/simgear/src/sky/moon.cxx: sgMoonOrbPreDraw() - line 55: glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE ) ; + line 55: glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA ) ; That worked, but made the moon look ugly. I could have been satisfied at this point and take the ugly moon for granted. However, on a hunch, I changed line 55 back and in sgMoonOrbPostDraw() uncommented line 65: - line 65: // glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA ) ; + line 65: glBlendFunc ( GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA ) ; That works, _and_ produces a nice moon. So it appears that the problem lies not with the blend function itself, but in the way it is (not) handled by glPushAttrib()/glPopAttrib(). Does anyone object to leaving line 65 uncommented for now? Any leads for a more permanent solution? That seems like a reasonable compromise ... done. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
Thanks for everyone who has been beating on the 0.7.9 pre-releases. I have made the pre2 release available and am currently pushing it out to the mirrors (that I can push to.) Just a couple of tweaks between pre1 and pre2. Hey, should we bump up the release date and make a valentines release? My wife has to work late tomorrow night so it's not like I'd be in the dog house for sitting on my computer all night. :-) Or perhaps as everything seems to always end up being my fault once we've discussed it, maybe I should say I'll be in the dog house anyway so I might as well make the most of my time. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
The only thing preventing FlightGear from compiling on FreeBSD is the missing gcvt function. Jon and I discussed it some yesterday and I sent him a fix that places the definition in FGJSBBase.h. Hopefully that has made it to him. I know it may be too late now to get it into 0.7.9 though. Best of luck with the release. Cheers, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis L. Olson Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2 Thanks for everyone who has been beating on the 0.7.9 pre-releases. I have made the pre2 release available and am currently pushing it out to the mirrors (that I can push to.) Just a couple of tweaks between pre1 and pre2. Hey, should we bump up the release date and make a valentines release? My wife has to work late tomorrow night so it's not like I'd be in the dog house for sitting on my computer all night. :-) Or perhaps as everything seems to always end up being my fault once we've discussed it, maybe I should say I'll be in the dog house anyway so I might as well make the most of my time. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
The only thing preventing FlightGear from compiling on FreeBSD is the missing gcvt function. Jon and I discussed it some yesterday and I sent him a fix that places the definition in FGJSBBase.h. Hopefully that has made it to him. I know it may be too late now to get it into 0.7.9 though. Mike: Can you send me the fix one more time, please? ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Thanks for everyone who has been beating on the 0.7.9 pre-releases. I have made the pre2 release available and am currently pushing it out to the mirrors (that I can push to.) Just a couple of tweaks between pre1 and pre2. Hey, should we bump up the release date and make a valentines release? Hmm, I have two issues: Ctrl+U gives an exception c310 doesn't work for me right now. If that get's fixed before I get up tomorow morning, you won't hear me for the rest of the day ;-) Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
Hmm, I have two issues: Ctrl+U gives an exception c310 doesn't work for me right now. Refresh my memory: what's wrong with the C310? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
BERNDT, JON S. (JON) (JSC-EX) (LM) wrote: Hmm, I have two issues: Ctrl+U gives an exception c310 doesn't work for me right now. Refresh my memory: what's wrong with the C310? If you don't see the problem it might be a local compile problem. I'm recompiling from scratch right now and I'll see if i gets fixed. I realy wanted to say it because of the statement Curtis made ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 09:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing preventing FlightGear from compiling on FreeBSD is the missing gcvt function. Jon and I discussed it some yesterday and I sent him a fix that places the definition in FGJSBBase.h. Hopefully that has made it to him. I know it may be too late now to get it into 0.7.9 though. Mike: Can you send me the fix one more time, please? Sure. I've re-sent the patch. So hopefully this time it'll get to you. Cheers. Mike ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
BERNDT, JON S. (JON) (JSC-EX) (LM) wrote: Hmm, I have two issues: Ctrl+U gives an exception c310 doesn't work for me right now. Refresh my memory: what's wrong with the C310? Alright, the c310 doesn't cause (a real?) problem at once (no long run tested though). About the Ctrl+U, this is still not working correctly but at least it doesn't halt the program with an exception. I'll leave it up to others if they think this is a show stopper. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik Hofman) [2002.02.13 12:31]: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Thanks for everyone who has been beating on the 0.7.9 pre-releases. I have made the pre2 release available and am currently pushing it out to the mirrors (that I can push to.) Just a couple of tweaks between pre1 and pre2. Hey, should we bump up the release date and make a valentines release? Hmm, I have two issues: Ctrl+U gives an exception Doh...that reminds me. The last time I flew FG (about a week ago), using Ctrl+U while not off the ground moved me horizontally instead of vertically in JSBSim. I seem to remember getting a bunch of gear touch messages, but, once again, I'm not 100% sure. If you can't reproduce this, let me know. Thanks -- Cameron Moore / If a man says something in the woods and\ \ there are no women there, is he still wrong? / ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
Martin van Beilen writes: Whoa there! I didn't even have the opportunity to try pre1 yet. Anyway, this is my first try since the FlightGear-2.7.8 release. Build status: Success Processor:Intel Pentium II 233 MHz Graphics Card:the venerable Voodoo2 OS: RedHat Linux 7.2 (w/ updated gcc) OpenGL: Mesa 4.0.1 (compiled from tarball) PLIB: 1.4.2 Unfortunately, the problem I had with 2.7.8 is still there. (0.7.8) :-) Whenever the moon enters view, the cloud layer becomes extremely bright, the intrument panel becomes tranlucent, and a large white rectangle covers most of it. http://www.iradis.org/gallery/fgfs-screen-014.jpg Switching to the small translucent panel keys/key gets rid of the large rectangle and leaves the instruments readable. It still looks weird though. Strangely enough this doesn't happen to me when flying in the States, so you might want to try with - --airport-id=EHAM. (That's Amsterdam Schipol, the Netherlands, Europe, for non-flying folks.) This sounds a lot like it could be a driver issue. Or we could be running out of texture ram and your driver isn't behaving well (not many handle this situation well.) I am currenty doing a complete rebuild and logging the configure and make output. I also removed every trace of metakit and SimGear to be absolutely certain that I compile against the correct libs. I'll keep you posted. In the process I found one small glitch: [mvb@localhost SimGear-0.0.17pre2]$ ./configure lots of stuff Metakit not found, you will need to install this first. Please read the README.metakit for more information. However, there is no README.metakit in the distribution. (And yes, I know metakit is no longer part of SimGear.) Ahhh, good catch, I'll add that and README.zlib to the next distribution. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 09:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing preventing FlightGear from compiling on FreeBSD is the missing gcvt function. Jon and I discussed it some yesterday and I sent him a fix that places the definition in FGJSBBase.h. Hopefully that has made it to him. I know it may be too late now to get it into 0.7.9 though. Mike: Can you send me the fix one more time, please? Sure. I've re-sent the patch. So hopefully this time it'll get to you. Where is it? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Update: I deleted, rebuilt and re-installed fgfs-base-0.7.9pre2, metakit-2.4.2-32 (included tarball from SimGear), SimGear-0.0.17pre2 and FlightGear-0.7.9pre2 from scratch. Build logs are available on request. Unfortunately my problem persists, and my assertion that it doesn't occur in the USA was wrong. I can reliably reproduce it with: fgfs --start-date-gmt=2002:02:27:15:00:00 --disable-clouds --disable-sound Which immediately yields the following result: http://www.iradis.org/gallery/fgfs-screen-015.jpg Any clues? PS: Rest assured that I'm not writing to you from the future and I'm not actually using FlightGear major version 2. That was just a snafu on my part. :) - -- Regards, I RADIS, do you? =Martin=http://www.iradis.org/ PGP: FE87448B DDF8 677C 9244 D119 4FE0 AE3A 37CF 3458 FE87 448B From: Martin van Beilen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:33:36PM +0100 X-S-Issue: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002/02/13 22:59:41 d5bfa51141621e4defec43793f92b0dc X-S-Issue: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002/02/13 23:10:48 2e483c875b6b54198a3a42f416b1471c -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAjxq5G8ACgkQN880WP6HRIs1VQCeMzE27P++eKqnnUT5WdSAvXjS TPUAoLVKhGDl9/KKUf9yaq1g+tRKCn7j =nHrA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
Martin van Beilen writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Update: I deleted, rebuilt and re-installed fgfs-base-0.7.9pre2, metakit-2.4.2-32 (included tarball from SimGear), SimGear-0.0.17pre2 and FlightGear-0.7.9pre2 from scratch. Build logs are available on request. Unfortunately my problem persists, and my assertion that it doesn't occur in the USA was wrong. I can reliably reproduce it with: fgfs --start-date-gmt=2002:02:27:15:00:00 --disable-clouds --disable-sound Which immediately yields the following result: http://www.iradis.org/gallery/fgfs-screen-015.jpg Any clues? PS: Rest assured that I'm not writing to you from the future and I'm not actually using FlightGear major version 2. That was just a snafu on my part. :) From your image, it really looks like you may have a driver bug. Do you know if there is a more recent version of your voodoo2 driver available to install? How much memory does your voodoo2 have? Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:19:00PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote: From your image, it really looks like you may have a driver bug. Yes, that is indeed likely. However, it doesn't appear to be a memory issue. The problem is very specifically triggered by the moon entering the active view. I have flown fgfs far and wide with --disable-skyblend, which works just fine. No moon, no problem. So what I'd like to know is what's so special about that moon. I tried running with --disable-textures, same result. (But this option doesn't affect moon texturing.) Do you know if there is a more recent version of your voodoo2 driver available to install? Do you know how hard it is to _find_ a voodoo2 driver these days? Some time ago a big company, which shall remain nameless, bought 3dfx. They have now opted to yank the 3dfx site, and all support for old cards with it. (That alone is reason enough not to buy their cards.) How much memory does your voodoo2 have? Hard to tell. It was a gift, and I have no idea how to probe it. These cards usually have 8 megs, or if I'm lucky, 12. - -- Regards,() =Martin= ASCII Ribbon Campaign Against HTML Mail /\ PGP: FE87448B DDF8 677C 9244 D119 4FE0 AE3A 37CF 3458 FE87 448B From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:19:00PM -0600 X-S-Issue: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002/02/14 02:21:52 e212f6d2444ae9e045cf1944d20c9c7a -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAjxrETcACgkQN880WP6HRIvXFwCgryryM0XiL5aUPmY8I3yJYyX1 3m4An2Rs4MYt8daVexWUUtJlXwbesTcU =c//5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:19:00PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote: From your image, it really looks like you may have a driver bug. Yes, that is indeed likely. However, it doesn't appear to be a memory issue. The problem is very specifically triggered by the moon entering the active view. I have flown fgfs far and wide with --disable-skyblend, which works just fine. No moon, no problem. So what I'd like to know is what's so special about that moon. Have a look at the moon rendering code in simgear if you like, but the moon is using a blend mode other than the default blend mode so that we can blend it into the gradient sky. I wouldn't be surprised if your driver doesn't handle all the blend modes correctly. It's off the beaten path, but not by a lot. I tried running with --disable-textures, same result. (But this option doesn't affect moon texturing.) I don't think it is a texturing issue from what you have said. Do you know if there is a more recent version of your voodoo2 driver available to install? Do you know how hard it is to _find_ a voodoo2 driver these days? Some time ago a big company, which shall remain nameless, bought 3dfx. They have now opted to yank the 3dfx site, and all support for old cards with it. (That alone is reason enough not to buy their cards.) Yes, I wish there was more choice in the 3d graphics world. You could always try an ATI card. People have been reporting pretty good results with their cards. I personally have very few complaints about my nvidia card. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.7.9pre2
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [2002.02.13 20:45]: On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:19:00PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote: How much memory does your voodoo2 have? Hard to tell. It was a gift, and I have no idea how to probe it. These cards usually have 8 megs, or if I'm lucky, 12. Look through /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if the X driver tells you. Might also try snooping around in /proc. -- Cameron Moore [ Why are there 5 syllables in the word monosyllabic? ] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
