Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 02:54:21PM +0200, Boris Koenig wrote: Harald has even created some preview screenshots of his FMC project: http://www.chez.com/tipunch/flightgear Hmmm, do I recognize my own photo there? With the small damage to the MCDU casing near the left annunciators? :-) I have this photo up to 1280x1024 (bigger, actually) --- ask! Straight from the Lufthansa sim. Jeroen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d You are right. I had this image on my HD and could not remember from where it came. I am sorry. Now that you said from where it comes, its even more obvious that we can't keep it as we need gpl material. Harald. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
Harald JOHNSEN wrote: You are right. I had this image on my HD and could not remember from where it came. shouldn't be a problem - particularly not if you still favor the skin-able approach :-) I am sorry. Now that you said from where it comes, its even more obvious that we can't keep it as we need gpl material. I think you may have misunderstood Jeroen: he seemed to be willing to make it available for FlightGear purposes ? :-) -- Boris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:27:09 +0200, Harald wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 02:54:21PM +0200, Boris Koenig wrote: Harald has even created some preview screenshots of his FMC project: http://www.chez.com/tipunch/flightgear Hmmm, do I recognize my own photo there? With the small damage to the MCDU casing near the left annunciators? :-) I have this photo up to 1280x1024 (bigger, actually) --- ask! Straight from the Lufthansa sim. You are right. I had this image on my HD and could not remember from where it came. I am sorry. Now that you said from where it comes, its even more obvious that we can't keep it as we need gpl material. ..uh, you can't _distribute_ it. Chk the original license. ..and ask the owner to license it under The One Right License, the GPL. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:27:09PM +0200, Harald JOHNSEN wrote: Now that you said from where it comes, its even more obvious that we can't keep it as we need gpl material. I don't have the exact details of the GPL in mind, but this photo was taken by a Lufthansa employee in employer's time (he maintains the sims and is on call while they run, but has not always loads of work to do). However it was specifically meant for me, to make that MCDU. I suppose that I can arrange for some kind of copyright transfer, but as I said I don't know the GPL very well and don't know whether this is possible. The photo was NOT taken from any product by any organisation or company whatsoever. Ok, Honeywell, maybe. But that problem you will have forever. Jeroen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:04:01 +0200, Jeroen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 01:27:09PM +0200, Harald JOHNSEN wrote: Now that you said from where it comes, its even more obvious that we can't keep it as we need gpl material. I don't have the exact details of the GPL in mind, but this photo was taken by a Lufthansa employee in employer's time (he maintains the sims and is on call while they run, but has not always loads of work to do). However it was specifically meant for me, to make that MCDU. ..and now you want to carry on develop it further. ;-) I suppose that I can arrange for some kind of copyright transfer, but as I said I don't know the GPL very well and don't know whether this is possible. ..the very best way _is_ the GPL, if he licensed it to you for this purpose, and your MCDU work needs a stronger license, go for http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html and the http://www.fsf-europe.org/projects/fla/fla.en.html ..the first time _ever_ the GPL is being challenged in court, is in the The SCO Group v IBM lawsuit in Utah, http://groklaw.net/ , where TSCOG drag its feet on evidence discovery despite year old court orders and instead writes Congress to try have them rule the GPL and US copyright law, unconstitutional in the US. ;-) .._everybody_ else has backed off from legal procedings because of the wise way the GPL makes use of Copyright Law in all countries, in the EU, copyright is not transferable, so, we close that hole with the FLA. ;-) The photo was NOT taken from any product by any organisation or company whatsoever. Ok, Honeywell, maybe. But that problem you will have forever. ..IBM is making a major legal and PR investment in the Utah Court, shepardizing Republican Judges Kimball and Wells into closing _every_ appeal route opportunity on Utah's Republican Senator Orrin B. Hatch' son and TSCOG counsel, Brent Hatch. ;-) Groklaw is _great_ fun. ;-) ..IBM's counsel is known as Nazgul for a reason, think legal pile driver. Oh, and, brent in norwegian means 'burned'. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
On Friday 01 October 2004 17:40, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:27:09 +0200, Harald wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 02:54:21PM +0200, Boris Koenig wrote: Harald has even created some preview screenshots of his FMC project: http://www.chez.com/tipunch/flightgear Hmmm, do I recognize my own photo there? With the small damage to the MCDU casing near the left annunciators? :-) I have this photo up to 1280x1024 (bigger, actually) --- ask! Straight from the Lufthansa sim. You are right. I had this image on my HD and could not remember from where it came. I am sorry. Now that you said from where it comes, its even more obvious that we can't keep it as we need gpl material. ..uh, you can't _distribute_ it. Chk the original license. ..and ask the owner to license it under The One Right License, the GPL. ;-) One license to bind them all... ;) LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers wrote: If you browse my site, you might find other goodies that could be interesting for FlightGear. I won't do MSFS, so it looks like I'm stuck with you for a while :-) It was kind of an understatement so say you might find other goodies :-) There's really A LOT of interesting stuff on your page ! Some things even seem to be interesting for FlightGear !? You mentioned the SB744 extension for VATSIM/IVAO: Out of personal interest I'd like to know, what specific PS1-variables you make available to VATSIM/IVAO ? Simply because as you may have read, some people here thought about exporting the relevant FlightGear variables,too - so that they could interface FlightGear with such a virtual ATC network. Maybe you can share some details, that way it would be straight-forward, to asses how feasible something like that would be for FlightGear. Is it right to assume that the mentioned PS1 broker is essentially comparable to the FSUIPC DLL in Micro$oft's FS ? So, the list on your page merely lists the PS1 offsets ? http://www.hoppie.nl/ps1addr/list.html Concerning your ATC Robot project ( http://www.hoppie.nl/atcrobot/ ), it would be interesting to learn more about your plans and if this thing is likely to become PS1-specific, there was quite a lengthy discussion here approx. 1-2 weeks ago, about possible ways to incorporate something similar within FlightGear: http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel%40flightgear.org/msg26650.html Also, you mention another interesting project on your webpage: http://www.hoppie.nl/mcdu http://www.hoppie.nl/mcdu/compare.html Indeed, something very similar was some time ago mentioned for FlightGear: http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel%40flightgear.org/msg26056.html Harald has even created some preview screenshots of his FMC project: http://www.chez.com/tipunch/flightgear I don't know, how usable your project is already but: Do you think that parts of your MCDU project could be interfaced to FlightGear, too ? Or maybe only used for the implementation that Harald is currently working on ? Boris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 02:54:21PM +0200, Boris Koenig wrote: Out of personal interest I'd like to know, what specific PS1-variables you make available to VATSIM/IVAO ? Not many. The SBPC9/10 protocol really is very shallow (I don't suggest tcpdump on it, no). Lat/long, basic attitude in three axes for the other visual programs to display the plane, true altitude, a delta to support barometric altitude above transition altitude, and some plane data like type. Don't overestimate VATSIM's closely-guarded secret protocol. Hint: http://www.leune.org/pcproxy/ Maybe you can share some details, that way it would be straight-forward, to asses how feasible something like that would be for FlightGear. We connected the thing in one hour to Orbiter... one week later the shuttle disintegrated during re-entry and the project came to an abrubt halt. Is it right to assume that the mentioned PS1 broker is essentially comparable to the FSUIPC DLL in Micro$oft's FS ? No, it's much more abstract. The FSUIPC equivalent is Ivan Ngeow's 747IPC program. The Broker is a TCP-based plain ASCII message exchange. 747IPC is the hack into PS1 to get at the internal memory (and a few more things). So, the list on your page merely lists the PS1 offsets ? Subset of it. Needs more entries. We're revamping the 747IPC interface as the offset junk does not scale at all. We want mnemonics over the network, not hex addresses. Big difference between PS1 and MSFS is that the former's author actively supports us by releasing variable segment declarations. That helps. Concerning your ATC Robot project ( http://www.hoppie.nl/atcrobot/ ), it would be interesting to learn more about your plans and if this thing is likely to become PS1-specific? It isn't PS1-specific. The ATCrobot plays a VATSIM server and accepts a connection of any SquawkBox-like program. Anybody with a working SquawkBox can enjoy fully programmable (textual) ATC. I got stuck when I discovered that my SB747 does VATSIM weather just not right (I do METAR interpretation myself and wasn't supposed to do that), but the rest is done. Easy to extend on it, anyway. http://www.hoppie.nl/mcdu Ready to be abused by any program that can open the socket. Connect a TELNET and off you go. Windows-specific code: only the part that moves the mouse off the screen and the computer shutdown stuff. Easy to remove/bypass. I am considering to open the source now, as I am satisfied with it. Harald has even created some preview screenshots of his FMC project: http://www.chez.com/tipunch/flightgear THE MCDU IS NO FMC! IT IS A MCDU! Read the page for the difference! Do you think that parts of your MCDU project could be interfaced to FlightGear, too ? Or maybe only used for the implementation that Harald is currently working on ? :-) It *is* ready, as it is the MCDU, and it's finished. I strongly believe that a FMC is a FMC and a MCDU is a MCDU, and should be implemented separately. Jeroen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] VATSIM/IVAO integration MCDU/FMC
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 02:54:21PM +0200, Boris Koenig wrote: Harald has even created some preview screenshots of his FMC project: http://www.chez.com/tipunch/flightgear Hmmm, do I recognize my own photo there? With the small damage to the MCDU casing near the left annunciators? :-) I have this photo up to 1280x1024 (bigger, actually) --- ask! Straight from the Lufthansa sim. Jeroen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
