Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-04-03 Thread Leonardo Fabian Grodek
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.netwrote: Actually, Alan is correct, as Ron also mentioned in the JSBSim-devel list, where this topic is cross-posted. I think it is quite possible that we can already do this using function definitions in the aerodynamics

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: cas...@mminternet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:57 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces Ok, here are a couple

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thursday 31 March 2011 02:13:58 Alan Teeder wrote: -- From: castle@... Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:57 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread castle
-- From: cas...@mminternet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:57 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces Ok, here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: cas...@mminternet.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:03 PM please cite a source rather than a general statement. Well you could try section 4.4 of the Datcom (not digital datcom). This text is available at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread castle
-- From: cas...@mminternet.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:03 PM please cite a source rather than a general statement. Well you could try section 4.4 of the Datcom (not digital datcom). This text is available at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread Gene Buckle
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, cas...@mminternet.com wrote: He, he, just to be a little pedantic.. it's not my simplification and only about 20 pages are devoted to the subsonic flight region, the transonic takes about 1 page and admits a lack of understanding in this area and section C is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread Alan Teeder
Hard coding this would be not a good idea - much better to add code to JSBsim so that it can be built up with parameters from the XML file in the same way as the main body forces (Lift, Drag etc). Agree, that's the idea, the calcs are in JSBSim the data is loaded in from xml files John

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-31 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Perhaps downwash and hinge force calculations should be the subject of a section in the xml aerodynamics file so that they can be tailored on a per-aircraft basis. Alan the xml files should be used to load the respective aircraft data for aero coefficients, tail geometry, and

[Flightgear-devel] Calculating free stick position and forces

2011-03-30 Thread castle
Ok, here are a couple of thoughts on improving the elevator model; as always comments and suggestions are welcome, flames will be ignored @ line 220 or so of FGAerodynamics add: alphat = alpha + tailincidence - downwash; // alpha fro the tail for now we'll assume no flying tails just a