Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-23 Thread Alan Teeder
-- From: leee l...@spatial.plus.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:05 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken On Tuesday 22 Dec 2009, Alan

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-23 Thread leee
On Wednesday 23 Dec 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: -- From: leee l...@spatial.plus.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:05 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Ron Jensen wrote: Are you sure you don't have some noisy input device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the rudder axis? If two input axes are bound to the same control the last write wins. Thanks for the hint. That helps. It makes sense from a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread Alan Teeder
discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken Ron Jensen wrote: Are you sure you don't have some noisy input device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the rudder axis? If two input axes are bound to the same

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread John Denker
On 12/22/2009 02:35 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: I think all that is required is that we make clear that auto-coordination is designed to help people without any rudder control axis, and that a proper rudder axis (or even a twist axis on a joystick) is preferable. On 12/21/2009 08:59 PM,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Dec 2009, at 12:23, John Denker wrote: I won't bother to ask why some people consider a discussion of auto-coordination to be hijacking an auto-coordination thread. I think that comment was because you replied to the 'autopilot broken' thread to start the auto-coordination discussion.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-22 Thread leee
On Tuesday 22 Dec 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: [snip...] The Ercoupe and certain other aircraft (e.g. TSR2) may have an aileron-rudder interconnect, but this is very aircraft specific and should be part of the aircraft FCS model. The YASim BAC-TSR2 doesn't/didn't/shouldn't have an aileron-rudder

[Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread John Denker
The –enable-auto-coordination feature never worked very well, but now it even more broken than it used to be. I observe different symptoms in different aircraft. In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. In the SenecaII, the most observable effect is that it makes it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, The –enable-auto-coordination feature never worked very well, but now it even more broken than it used to be. I observe different symptoms in different aircraft. In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. If so, then it must be something happened recently. With CVS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: Did you try to turn on/off jaw damper? Hah, I tried that on my wife and it didn't work ... :-) (jaw being a bone in the mouth, yaw being side to side motion.) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Did you try to turn on/off jaw damper? Hah, I tried that on my wife and it didn't work ... :-) (jaw being a bone in the mouth, yaw being side to side motion.) Curt. -- Upss...Lol! :D Maybe I used this word instead because thinking of my own jaw which still pains a bit after

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, John Denker wrote: In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. In the SenecaII, the most observable effect is that it makes it impossible to steer when trying to taxi. In the air it does not noticeably improve the coordination. Sometimes I see an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread John Denker
On 12/21/2009 02:36 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote: It seems to work ok here. Interesting Are you sure you don't have some noisy input device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the rudder axis? If two input axes are bound to the same control the last write wins.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Ron Jensen
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 17:45 -0700, John Denker wrote: On 12/21/2009 02:36 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote: It seems to work ok here. Interesting Another thread hijacked. Are you sure you don't have some noisy input device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Ron Jensen wrote: In my view --enable-auto-coordination is a game feature, and usable for people without a rudder axis control. A group you seem to have completely overlooked. Yup, it's never been intended to be more than a simple work around for people