Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> > However, if a situation > > arises in which the aircraft models are to be sold for a profit, > > please contact us to discuss implementation of a Trademark License > > Agreement for the sale of consumer products. > > ..no F-g way, they add a restriction beyond the GPL, > toss out all Boeing mo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:21:50 -0600, Jon wrote in message <003501c97c27$6d008850$470198...@net>: > > We may go on to keep our model and our code protected under GPL > > license. > > > > Only an information regarding the copyright for such private Name: > > Boeing..Lockheed.. and so on could be n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread David Slocombe
Why agonize over this, where obviously no one on this list is expert. Instead, why not write to h...@softwarefreedom.org or connect to #sflc on irc.freenode.net and ask the lawyers who offer the needed advice for free. See: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/services/ (Software Freedom Law Center)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> We may go on to keep our model and our code protected under GPL > license. > > Only an information regarding the copyright for such private Name: > Boeing..Lockheed.. and so on could be necessary. > > These addons won't be a restriction only an information. > > Cheers To be absolutely clea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] doppler volume

2009-01-21 Thread James Sleeman
Hi Maik, Maik Justus wrote: > the effect you are discussing is not the Doppler effect, but just the > Yes, I know it's not a function of the Doppler itself, but I was thinking more along the lines of the volume drop off, if it were better, might help the convincingness of the Doppler, if you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Tim Moore
Martin Spott wrote: > Tim Moore wrote: >> Martin Spott wrote: >>> Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Boeing314 In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv11895 Modified Files: Boeing314A.xml Log Message: Add the license

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6

2009-01-21 Thread syd adams
Maybe I'm being naive here , but wouldn't be easier to jusr remove the word "Boeing" from the files ? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] doppler volume

2009-01-21 Thread Maik Justus
Hi James, the effect you are discussing is not the Doppler effect, but just the volume as a function of the distance. Every aircraft has its own sound definition including the distance, where the volume is halved () and the distance where the volume is cutted off (). The volume as a function o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread DrC
> .My interpretation of that is. We must clearly acknowledge and protect their right to their trade marks. "Boeing" is the registered trade mark of.. Beyond that, in the only case of another company's IP that I have had to deal with, having had a 'sort of' go-ahead I sent them back a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6

2009-01-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:06:42 +0100, gerard wrote in message <200901211406.42997.ghma...@gmail.com>: > On mercredi 21 janvier 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: > > [...] > > > > > Modified Files: > > > Boeing314A.xml > > > Log Message: > > > Add the lice

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Martin Spott
Tim Moore wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: > > Erik Hofman wrote: > >> Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Boeing314 > >> In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv11895 > >> > >> Modified Files: > >> Boeing314A.xml > >> Log Message: > >> Add the license statement > >> > >> +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Tim Moore
Martin Spott wrote: > Erik Hofman wrote: >> Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Boeing314 >> In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv11895 >> >> Modified Files: >> Boeing314A.xml >> Log Message: >> Add the license statement >> >> + This simulation model is not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 21 janvier 2009, Martin Spott wrote: > Erik Hofman wrote: > > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Boeing314 > > In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv11895 > > > > Modified Files: > > Boeing314A.xml > > Log Message: > > Add the license statement > > > > +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/Boeing314 > In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv11895 > > Modified Files: > Boeing314A.xml > Log Message: > Add the license statement > > + This simulation model is not endorsed by the manufacturer.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Erik Hofman
gerard robin wrote: > These addons won't be a restriction only an information. True. Erik -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadth

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: >> Neither the name of (any of) the authors nor the names of (any of) the >> manufacturers may be used to endorse or promote products derived from >> this file. > > Maybe it should be made clear that this part is not an ad

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 21 janvier 2009, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > Ah sorry, that slipped my attention, you are right. > > I'll ask Jon about it. > > > > Erik > > We should discuss this, then, because the impacts may be more far reaching. > I asked the Boeing licensing people some time ago about our flight mode

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: > Neither the name of (any of) the authors nor the names of (any of) the > manufacturers may be used to endorse or promote products derived from > this file. Maybe it should be made clear that this part is not an addition to the license -- not some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Erik Hofman
I came up with the following for the F-16 file: This model was created using data that is, or has been, publically available by means of technical reports, textbooks, image graphs or published code. This aircraft description file is in no way related to the manufacturer of the real aircra

[Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models

2009-01-21 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Ah sorry, that slipped my attention, you are right. > I'll ask Jon about it. > > Erik We should discuss this, then, because the impacts may be more far reaching. I asked the Boeing licensing people some time ago about our flight models. They were OK with us creating models, but were not OK wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney "Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money? Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what pr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Wednesday, 21. January 2009, Martin Spott wrote: > b) The GPL states that "You may charge a fee for the physical act of > transferring a copy, [...]", but "You may not copy, modify, sublicense, > or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this > License". > > Now, how would yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6

2009-01-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: > I was told by a layer, since we are writing that the model is copyrighted > protected under Licence GPLV2 , we may write anything we want as addons > regarding the protection, these addons won't be taken in account , and one > may ignore it. That

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml,

2009-01-21 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: > > + > > + GPL (General Public License) > > + http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html > > + > > + > > + [...]This model > > + is not to be sold. > > + >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6

2009-01-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: > [...] >> Modified Files: >> Boeing314A.xml >> Log Message: >> Add the license statement > >> + >> + GPL (General Public License) >> + http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html >> + >> +

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6

2009-01-21 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 21 janvier 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: > [...] > > > Modified Files: > > Boeing314A.xml > > Log Message: > > Add the license statement > > > > + > > + GPL (General Public License) > > + http://www.gnu.org/lic

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6

2009-01-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 21 January 2009: [...] > Modified Files: > Boeing314A.xml > Log Message: > Add the license statement > + > + GPL (General Public License) > + http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html > + > + > + [...]This mode

[Flightgear-devel] doppler volume

2009-01-21 Thread James Sleeman
The doppler effect (which I currently have working through the USE_SOFTWARE_DOPPLER define) has never sounded very "real" to my ear. Recently I've wondered if it might be to do with the "volume dropoff" not being enough. It's hard to subjectively quantify the dropoff in the flyby, but for exa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Could not open file: Segmentation fault;

2009-01-21 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> That would be one way to do it. I'm trying to come up with a better > solution. The problem is that then there may be properties that are > referenced which are not defined and you'd get unexpected behavior. > > Jon Another possible solution would be to create a C310x configuration that is not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Could not open file: Segmentation fault;

2009-01-21 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Synchronizing FlightGear and JSBSim is already difficult enough without > the need to search each file for these kinds of things. Would it be an > idea to ignore these tags when running within FlightGear instead? > > Erik That would be one way to do it. I'm trying to come up with a better solut

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Could not open file: Segmentation fault;

2009-01-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Hi Jon, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > The C310 is one of the aircraft that - in the JSBSim cvs repository - is > used for extensive testing of JSBSim operation. There is a need for an > autopilot for the aircraft to be able to fly out the tests. The autopilot > file is expected to be found in the same di