[Flightgear-devel] TaxiDraw

2009-12-21 Thread Peter Brown
Three quick TaxiDraw questions for someone in the know - There is no information in the TaxiDraw wiki regarding runway and taxiway smoothness, but there is a roughness box as a surface parameter in Taxidraw. I am trying to determine if this is on a 0-1 range, as I have only seen existing

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread S Andreason
Hi, Why is the autopilot broken? Specifically on my models like bluebird (or ufo if you prefer), I started to implement a requested feature, but found it does not work like it used to. The property: /autopilot/settings/true-heading-deg acts like it is being set by something else that

[Flightgear-devel] ..FG as airport engineering design tool, was: reversible ILS

2009-12-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:21:22 -0700, John wrote in message 4b2e5d12.1080...@av8n.com: On 12/20/2009 09:15 AM, stefan riemens suggested: How about making allowing one to set the proposed preferred-approach-deg property, but not requiring it. It's already not required. It has a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, There were major changes on the GPS and Route-Manager since August (3 Months ago already!) So this has affected the the use of the autopilot as well. All aircrafts using the generic Autopilot-panel are affected, but not those with an own written flightdirector like Syds Aircrafts

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Erik Hofman
S Andreason wrote: Hi, Why is the autopilot broken? Specifically on my models like bluebird (or ufo if you prefer), I started to implement a requested feature, but found it does not work like it used to. The property: /autopilot/settings/true-heading-deg acts like it is being set by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread James Turner
On 21 Dec 2009, at 16:33, Heiko Schulz wrote: There were major changes on the GPS and Route-Manager since August (3 Months ago already!) So this has affected the the use of the autopilot as well. All aircrafts using the generic Autopilot-panel are affected, but not those with an own

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Hi, Why is the autopilot broken? Specifically on my models like bluebird (or ufo if you prefer), I started to implement a requested feature, but found it does not work like it used to. The property: /autopilot/settings/true-heading-deg acts like it is being set by something else that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:17 AM, James Turner wrote: For the record, my perception is that entering a value in the generic autopilot dialog for 'true heading' has never worked, because the value would **always** be over-written by the route manager. This would only have been the case if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Pete Morgan
Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, There were major changes on the GPS and Route-Manager since August (3 Months ago already!) So this has affected the the use of the autopilot as well. All aircrafts using the generic Autopilot-panel are affected, but not those with an own written flightdirector

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi James, As far as I know, the old route-manager code behaved much the same as my code does now - but it sounds as if you disagree? Yep, and Torsten already decribed it well: The GPS code sets the property /autopilot/settings/true-heading-deg if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, There were major changes on the GPS and Route-Manager since August (3 Months ago already!) So this has affected the the use of the autopilot as well. All aircrafts using the generic Autopilot-panel are affected, but not those with an own written

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Peter Brown
One note on using route manager - in a 12/13 CVS - if includes the departure airport as a waypoint automatically. If you activate it on the ground it will move past it on the takeoff roll and proceed to the next waypoint. If you don't activate it until in the air it will circle back to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navaids update

2009-12-21 Thread jean pellotier
Martin Spott a écrit : Salut Jean, jean pellotier wrote: Is nav.dat supposed to be updated from robin X-plane database? If nobody else is going to do that, I'll be updating the file from Robin's most current package during our pre-release phase (however this is going to be defined

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread James Turner
On 21 Dec 2009, at 17:59, Heiko Schulz wrote: It worked as long we didn't use the Route-manager. Like Curt already said, with pending waypoints the values are overwritten, but only then. That hasn't changed. Okay, so that's where the bug has come from, I need to fix the logic to only drive

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread James Turner
On 21 Dec 2009, at 18:10, Peter Brown wrote: One note on using route manager - in a 12/13 CVS - if includes the departure airport as a waypoint automatically. If you activate it on the ground it will move past it on the takeoff roll and proceed to the next waypoint. If you don't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:43 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: It is not my intention, or expectation, that many aircraft should need to be changed at all. Aircraft that used the old gps or route-manager directly will need changes (eg, the 787, and Concorde INS code, but that's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken

2009-12-21 Thread S Andreason
Hi James, There were major changes on the GPS and Route-Manager since August (3 Months ago already!) I had not noticed because I have not tried using the autopilot for many months. written flightdirector like Syds Aircrafts (Citation Bravo works perfect) or with own yes, Citation

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:48 PM, James Turner wrote: I thought I'd fixed that back at the start of October, soon after the initial commit - Curt complained that h couldn't start a route 'in-air' so I removed the need for departure/destination airports. Ah, I get it - you're specifying a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Peter Brown
James, this is what I've found too. Perhaps I don't understand the proper setup method, but I tend to clean it up as well. Sometimes I get a FL value, others times the point adds with a zero altitude. (or two dep. airport waypoints, one with each altitude) It may be a result of most times

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (v1.3)

2009-12-21 Thread Bob Faulkner
Q: I have purchased Flight Pro Sim. Can I get a refund ? A: That is something you will have to take up with the distributors of Flight Pro Sim. Change makers to distributors Bob -- Delusional Mail (http://www.delusionalmind.com)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (v1.3)

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Bob Faulkner wrote: Q: I have purchased Flight Pro Sim. Can I get a refund ? A: That is something you will have to take up with the distributors of Flight Pro Sim. Change makers to distributors I believe flight sim pro may be using a distributor/partner

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (v1.3)

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Bob Faulkner wrote: Q: I have purchased Flight Pro Sim. Can I get a refund ? A: That is something you will have to take up with the distributors of Flight Pro Sim. Change makers to distributors I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Hey, could we all agree it's not my fault? :) Erik -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread S Andreason
Erik Hofman wrote: Hey, could we all agree it's not my fault? :) Sorry Erik, You are only guilty of submitting the most number of files in that 36 hour period. :) I guessed wrong. Stewart -- This SF.Net email

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, Hey, could we all agree it's not my fault? :) Erik Only if you will correct the airport name: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/File:Tu154Innsbruck.png - pretty flat for LOWI ! :-P Cheers HHS __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken

2009-12-21 Thread syd adams
I'll have to add also that I'm a bit confused by the recent changes (I'm sure I'll eventually figure it out) , but how is this new route manager dialog supposed to work ? I try the normal k...@35000 , and hit activate , and then I get my departure airport suddenly added to the list , which causes

[Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread John Denker
The –enable-auto-coordination feature never worked very well, but now it even more broken than it used to be. I observe different symptoms in different aircraft. In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. In the SenecaII, the most observable effect is that it makes it

[Flightgear-devel] parking.xml files under scenery/Airports

2009-12-21 Thread Csaba Halász
I noticed that some airports have parking.xml files in the scenery directory such as K/N/U/KNUQ.parking.xml or L/F/P/LFPG.parking.xml. As far as I can tell, the loader either picks up parking.xml files from data/AI/Airports (if use-custom-scenery-data is false) or groundnet.xml files from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hi, The –enable-auto-coordination feature never worked very well, but now it even more broken than it used to be. I observe different symptoms in different aircraft. In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. If so, then it must be something happened recently. With CVS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: Did you try to turn on/off jaw damper? Hah, I tried that on my wife and it didn't work ... :-) (jaw being a bone in the mouth, yaw being side to side motion.) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Heiko Schulz
Did you try to turn on/off jaw damper? Hah, I tried that on my wife and it didn't work ... :-) (jaw being a bone in the mouth, yaw being side to side motion.) Curt. -- Upss...Lol! :D Maybe I used this word instead because thinking of my own jaw which still pains a bit after

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, John Denker wrote: In the default c172p, it appears to have no effect at all. In the SenecaII, the most observable effect is that it makes it impossible to steer when trying to taxi. In the air it does not noticeably improve the coordination. Sometimes I see an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot broken, Eric maybe?

2009-12-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, Hey, could we all agree it's not my fault? :) Only if you will correct the airport name: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/File:Tu154Innsbruck.png - pretty flat for LOWI ! :-P Admittedly I already wondered about it :) But i never thought it would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flight Pro Sim Statement (v1.3)

2009-12-21 Thread Bob Faulkner
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Bob Faulkner wrote: Q: I have purchased Flight Pro Sim. Can I get a refund ? A: That is something you will have to take up with the distributors of Flight Pro Sim. Change makers to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread John Denker
On 12/21/2009 02:36 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote: It seems to work ok here. Interesting Are you sure you don't have some noisy input device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the rudder axis? If two input axes are bound to the same control the last write wins.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Ron Jensen
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 17:45 -0700, John Denker wrote: On 12/21/2009 02:36 PM, Anders Gidenstam wrote: It seems to work ok here. Interesting Another thread hijacked. Are you sure you don't have some noisy input device like a joystick or pedals connected that might affect the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination broken

2009-12-21 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Ron Jensen wrote: In my view --enable-auto-coordination is a game feature, and usable for people without a rudder axis control. A group you seem to have completely overlooked. Yup, it's never been intended to be more than a simple work around for people

Re: [Flightgear-devel] navaids update

2009-12-21 Thread Brian Schack
Jean == jean pellotier writes: Jean I see the update is done, thanks, (and sorry for windows users Jean waiting for a compatible binary build :) ). It appears that Jean Atlas don't like the new nav.dat.gz, and crash on start up, Jean because some navaids contains empty field