Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: On a related note I noticed that the menu option to change the lat/Lin format has been removed. Given how useful it is to have a decimal degrees read out for scenery development that seems somewhat strange. Was this intentional ? Or is it a regression? I'm thinking it would be better located under HUD properties. On further investigation, it looks like this was lost a long time ago in one of the menu re-organizations, and has been left as a commented-out menu item. At various times, it existed as a menu item under the File, View and Autopilot menus, where each selection cycled through one of three options for /sim/lon-lat-format. AFAICT it's main relevance is to the HUD, so I've created some radio buttons in the HUD Configuration dialog to control this and cleaned up the commented out menu items in menubar.xml. If anyone knows of another use for this property, and can think of a better location in the menu system for controlling it, please let me know. -Stuart -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On 3 Jan 2012, at 23:44, Stuart Buchanan wrote: 1) I've included location information for the servers, so they can be used sensibly by users to determine the correct MP server to connect to. So our instructions for new users can hopefully be simply to open the dialog, select a server close to the user, and press Connect. Another win for usability - great work James et al. ! Excellent. 2) I've remove the port setting. This defaults to 5000, and isn't something that a user connecting to the standard MP servers is going to change. If someone is connecting to a non-standard server, they'll need to do so from the command line anyway Yep, seems reasonable to me - as long as we retain the functionality under the hood, it's one less thing for users to get wrong in the GUI :) 3) The only way I found to disconnect from the MP environment was to set the txhost to 0.0.0.0 (from a code read of multiplayermgr.cxx). Is there a better way to disconnect? As far as I can see, there's no way to do so gracefully at present - looks like an else branch is missing from the if() test of the txhost string. Right now setting an empty host is the way to disconnect it. A separate 'connect' boolean input to the code could be arranged, which triggers connection disconnection when set - but obviously this also needs to keep compatibility with any command line use. It would also be trivial to add explicit 'mp-connect' and 'mp-disconnect' commands, instead of expressing everything as property state changes. James -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:51 AM, James Turner wrote: Right now setting an empty host is the way to disconnect it. A separate 'connect' boolean input to the code could be arranged, which triggers connection disconnection when set - but obviously this also needs to keep compatibility with any command line use. It would also be trivial to add explicit 'mp-connect' and 'mp-disconnect' commands, instead of expressing everything as property state changes. Actually, that didn't seem to work - or at least it still left /sim/multiplay/online set to true. I've just pushed a small fix to multiplayermgr.cxx to return early from the initialization routine if no host is set. This sets /sim/multiplay/online remains false if no txhost is set. -Stuart -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: menu option is greyed out when MP is not enabled on startup (via commandline/fgrun). maybe add a note like Individual servers can be down? Could even add a button to open the mpstatus website. People don't Read That Fine Manual, so we shouldn't rely on just that. callsign only changes when re-connecting. I'd add a note about that as well. I've pushed an updated dialog to fgdata to address these issues. Further feedback welcome (and yes, I'm aware that MP Chat doesn't work if you don't start with MP configured - I'm fixing that right now). -Stuart -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
Hi All, I'm going through the GUI to update the Manual with the correct menu items for the upcoming release. I noticed the MP Settings dialog which I'm sure has been there for ages without me seeing it. Should this now be documented as the standard way to enable MP, abs should there be a checkbox allowing the MP server to be set without MP being active? I'll also update the dialog to make it more consistent with the rest of the UI if no one objects. On a related note I noticed that the menu option to change the lat/Lin format has been removed. Given how useful it is to have a decimal degrees read out for scenery development that seems somewhat strange. Was this intentional ? Or is it a regression? I'm thinking it would be better located under HUD properties. -Stuartn -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:54, Stuart Buchanan wrote: I noticed the MP Settings dialog which I'm sure has been there for ages without me seeing it. Should this now be documented as the standard way to enable MP, abs should there be a checkbox allowing the MP server to be set without MP being active? I'll also update the dialog to make it more consistent with the rest of the UI if no one objects. I added the feature, but there's a couple of issues - we need to hardcode a server list for this release (there's a ticket about dynamically retrieving a list of active MP servers, for post 2.6), and the pui combo box has some focus issues, to do with when it fires its valueChanged notification. In the medium-term I'll improve the pui code, but again for 2.6, making the widget 'non-live', and adding a separate connect button or checkbox is the way to go, I think. (In more detail - I tried to make the combo-box editable - so you can enter a server address manually - but when you do this, the widget seems to be reluctant to loose the keyboard focus, and hence propagate the typed value, unless you click on another text field in the dialog). Notably, simply clicking outside the widget *won't* force it to loose focus. James -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:36 PM, James Turner wrote: On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:54, Stuart Buchanan wrote: I noticed the MP Settings dialog which I'm sure has been there for ages without me seeing it. Should this now be documented as the standard way to enable MP, abs should there be a checkbox allowing the MP server to be set without MP being active? I'll also update the dialog to make it more consistent with the rest of the UI if no one objects. I added the feature, but there's a couple of issues - we need to hardcode a server list for this release (there's a ticket about dynamically retrieving a list of active MP servers, for post 2.6), and the pui combo box has some focus issues, to do with when it fires its valueChanged notification. In the medium-term I'll improve the pui code, but again for 2.6, making the widget 'non-live', and adding a separate connect button or checkbox is the way to go, I think. OK. I'll make the appropriate hardcoded changes for the moment and update The Manual to describe using the dialog for connecting to the MP environment. I'll leave references to using other methods for users wanting to connect to private or non-standard MP servers. I'll also add a default port. -Stuart -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On 3 Jan 2012, at 21:34, Stuart Buchanan wrote: OK. I'll make the appropriate hardcoded changes for the moment and update The Manual to describe using the dialog for connecting to the MP environment. I'll leave references to using other methods for users wanting to connect to private or non-standard MP servers. I'll also add a default port. All sounds good, thanks. James -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM, James Turner wrote: On 3 Jan 2012, at 21:34, Stuart Buchanan wrote: OK. I'll make the appropriate hardcoded changes for the moment and update The Manual to describe using the dialog for connecting to the MP environment. I'll leave references to using other methods for users wanting to connect to private or non-standard MP servers. I'll also add a default port. All sounds good, thanks. I've just pushed an update to the MP Settings dialog. Let me know what you think. A couple of notes: 1) I've included location information for the servers, so they can be used sensibly by users to determine the correct MP server to connect to. So our instructions for new users can hopefully be simply to open the dialog, select a server close to the user, and press Connect. Another win for usability - great work James et al. ! 2) I've remove the port setting. This defaults to 5000, and isn't something that a user connecting to the standard MP servers is going to change. If someone is connecting to a non-standard server, they'll need to do so from the command line anyway 3) The only way I found to disconnect from the MP environment was to set the txhost to 0.0.0.0 (from a code read of multiplayermgr.cxx). Is there a better way to disconnect? As far as I can see, there's no way to do so gracefully at present - looks like an else branch is missing from the if() test of the txhost string. -Stuart -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting / stopping MP in-sim
Hi Stuart and James, nice work on the dialog updates. Works much better now :) Some comments: menu option is greyed out when MP is not enabled on startup (via commandline/fgrun).maybe add a note like Individual servers can be down? Could even add a button to open the mpstatus website. People don't Read That Fine Manual, so we shouldn't rely on just that. callsign only changes when re-connecting. I'd add a note about that as well. Cheers, Gijs -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
