Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:53:24 + (GMT), Pierre wrote in message 1329069204.84188.yahoomail...@web29801.mail.ird.yahoo.com: On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:50:11 +0100, BARANGER wrote in message 4f37dfb3.4010...@free.fr: I always took the time to report the authors of the additions in my site because it seems normal for me. If the team of the PAF not appreciate the principle of respect of the original authors of the open source, they go to make aircraft for FS X or X Plane. In addition, it can make money Muaahahaha - ROFL! ..it can, and in full compliance to the GPL. ;o) A lot of anti-GPL FUD tries to peddle the belief that the GPL is somehow anti-business. You can charge anything you want for GPL binaries, as long as you publish the source code at cost or on the web for free. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
Hi Martin, Gijs, Syd, Curt, and all other, When the team of the PAF has decided to prohibit access to their work to me, they also requested the opportunity to put it on ILM. When I finally got access to their improvements, through a person who has nothing to do with them but that dispatched the wiki link that I did not know, so I logically integrated all their work to my airplane. Thus it has always worked. I always took the time to report the authors of the additions in my site because it seems normal for me. If the team of the PAF not appreciate the principle of respect of the original authors of the open source, they go to make aircraft for FS X or X Plane. In addition, it can make money I'm tired of seeing all these kids puerile want to use the work of others, to obtain recognition as authors. And back on the 5 or 6 files with licensing issues in my airplanes is ridiculous. As usual, Clement did not consider before speaking. Because most have been fixed. Since I started I've always done anything that try to bring something to FG and to please the greatest number. I'm not trying to please me personally. But this, it seems that the PAF can not understand. It's a shame. The team is talented, but seems guided by a kid with goals unrelated to FG and Open Source. I remain attentive to all and to serve the greatest number. Regards Emmanuel -- BARANGER Emmanuel http://helijah.free.fr -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
When the team of the PAF has decided to prohibit access to their work to me, they also requested the opportunity to put it on ILM. They only banned you from the PAF-Forum. Simply because you offended some users there just for having a different opinion than you. That can be read by everyone in the forum, without beeing registered. And everyone can download their work, without beeing registered. I have seen that you nearly always act like that, even on the official forum and here on the mailing-list. Lacking social skills I would say. When I finally got access to their improvements, through a person who has nothing to do with them but that dispatched the wiki link that I did not know, so I logically integrated all their work to my airplane. Thus it has always worked. To YOUR aircraft? THEIR work? You started the work on the aircraft, but it was the team who finally finished it. So to make it clear: it's not alone your work, and not alone their work. It is a work of ALL INVOLVED! And they published the link in the official forum- you can't have missed that. I always took the time to report the authors of the additions in my site because it seems normal for me. If the team of the PAF not appreciate the principle of respect of the original authors of the open source, they go to make aircraft for FS X or X Plane. In addition, it can make money Muaahahaha - ROFL! 1.) Who is the original author? You? Again: You just started a work; the real work- making it flyable and usuable- was done by this group. Without them it would have been another crappy aircraft made by you as the other more than hundred (!) ones by you. They are the original authors as well, like beside you! I would even say, that have made the main work! So there are multiple original authors- that's something you have to learn. And you have to respect them as well. You didn't learn from the AlouetteII-conflict last year, right? 2.) YOU want tell us about the principle respect of original authors? I can still find the already mentioned copyright violations in your aircraft! But see below. I'm tired of seeing all these kids puerile want to use the work of others, to obtain recognition as authors. I have searched through the forums and mailing-list, and it still seems to me that you did not really understand OpenSource. And back on the 5 or 6 files with licensing issues in my airplanes is ridiculous. As usual, Clement did not consider before speaking. Because most have been fixed. 5 or 6? I can remember more - still too much. And much too much for someone who accuses others here for disrespecting OpenSource. Since I started I've always done anything that try to bring something to FG and to please the greatest number. I'm not trying to please me personally. But this, it seems that the PAF can not understand. Sorry, I have to doubt your words, I'm not trying to please me personally. is looking too suspicious to me! And they do the same what you want to make us believe you do: trying to bring something to FG; and please to greatest number. And it seems to me that they do with great success- as many more users are tired of the many half finished, unusuable aircraft made by you. It's a shame. The team is talented, but seems guided by a kid with goals unrelated to FG and Open Source. I don't see that, can you prove it? I wonder how many discussions like that will follow- there seems to be a coherence between your acting and understanding of teamwork and OpenSource and such discussions- OSG-Particles, Bell UH1, AlouetteII, Velocity-XL, and now the DC-3 Why I don't see such discussions on Gijs, Martins, Syds and others work? Why? Pierre Mueller Switzerland-- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
All, I'm sure that there's right and wrong on both sides of this discussion, and I'm aware that some have some difficulty with the English language but could we please continue it in a more decorous manner, and take the personal abuse elsewhere. The Devel list has a long tradition of avoiding personalizing discussion, and I for one wiish it to remain so. Vivian -Original Message- From: Pierre Mueller [mailto:pierre.muel...@ymail.com] Sent: 12 February 2012 17:53 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT When the team of the PAF has decided to prohibit access to their work to me, they also requested the opportunity to put it on ILM. They only banned you from the PAF-Forum. Simply because you offended some users there just for having a different opinion than you. That can be read by everyone in the forum, without beeing registered. And everyone can download their work, without beeing registered. I have seen that you nearly always act like that, even on the official forum and here on the mailing-list. Lacking social skills I would say. When I finally got access to their improvements, through a person who has nothing to do with them but that dispatched the wiki link that I did not know, so I logically integrated all their work to my airplane. Thus it has always worked. To YOUR aircraft? THEIR work? You started the work on the aircraft, but it was the team who finally finished it. So to make it clear: it's not alone your work, and not alone their work. It is a work of ALL INVOLVED! And they published the link in the official forum- you can't have missed that. I always took the time to report the authors of the additions in my site because it seems normal for me. If the team of the PAF not appreciate the principle of respect of the original authors of the open source, they go to make aircraft for FS X or X Plane. In addition, it can make money Muaahahaha - ROFL! 1.) Who is the original author? You? Again: You just started a work; the real work- making it flyable and usuable- was done by this group. Without them it would have been another crappy aircraft made by you as the other more than hundred (!) ones by you. They are the original authors as well, like beside you! I would even say, that have made the main work! So there are multiple original authors- that's something you have to learn. And you have to respect them as well. You didn't learn from the AlouetteII-conflict last year, right? 2.) YOU want tell us about the principle respect of original authors? I can still find the already mentioned copyright violations in your aircraft! But see below. I'm tired of seeing all these kids puerile want to use the work of others, to obtain recognition as authors. I have searched through the forums and mailing-list, and it still seems to me that you did not really understand OpenSource. And back on the 5 or 6 files with licensing issues in my airplanes is ridiculous. As usual, Clement did not consider before speaking. Because most have been fixed. 5 or 6? I can remember more - still too much. And much too much for someone who accuses others here for disrespecting OpenSource. Since I started I've always done anything that try to bring something to FG and to please the greatest number. I'm not trying to please me personally. But this, it seems that the PAF can not understand. Sorry, I have to doubt your words, I'm not trying to please me personally. is looking too suspicious to me! And they do the same what you want to make us believe you do: trying to bring something to FG; and please to greatest number. And it seems to me that they do with great success- as many more users are tired of the many half finished, unusuable aircraft made by you. It's a shame. The team is talented, but seems guided by a kid with goals unrelated to FG and Open Source. I don't see that, can you prove it? I wonder how many discussions like that will follow- there seems to be a coherence between your acting and understanding of teamwork and OpenSource and such discussions- OSG-Particles, Bell UH1, AlouetteII, Velocity-XL, and now the DC-3 Why I don't see such discussions on Gijs, Martins, Syds and others work? Why? Pierre Mueller Switzerland -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Vivian Meazza wrote: I'm sure that there's right and wrong on both sides of this discussion, and I'm aware that some have some difficulty with the English language but could we please continue it in a more decorous manner, and take the personal abuse elsewhere. +1 Where elsewhere is not the FlightGear Forums! -Stuart -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Vivian Meazza wrote: The Devel list has a long tradition of avoiding personalizing discussion, and I for one wiish it to remain so. Seconded. Take your pissing matches elsewhere. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
This is exaclty the kind of BS i was hoping we wouldnt see ! -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
