RE: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-17 Thread Jon S. Berndt
That's actually a counter-example: this is all information that FlightGear will have to have by default, but FDMs like JSBSim will not (necessarily) -- since FlightGear owns the panel and the UI, it is the component that tracks the position of every switch, stick, and so on. JSBSim will need

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-16 Thread Andy Ross
Jon S. Berndt wrote: Alex wrote: For starters, can the JSB filters (etc) stuff be used without JSBSim? The base class of all JSBSim classes - including the FCS classes - is FGJSBBase. So, technically, no. This would be a good feature to look at breaking out of the FDM. At its most

RE: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-16 Thread Jon S. Berndt
I don't see why moving the FCS out of JSBSim precludes your ability to run the thing standalone. You could maintain your own tree independant of FlightGear as you do right now (or just keep it in the JSB tree next to the FDM). Alternatively, you could place it in SimGear, which is designed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-16 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 10:13, Andy Ross wrote: Jon S. Berndt wrote: Alex wrote: For starters, can the JSB filters (etc) stuff be used without JSBSim? The base class of all JSBSim classes - including the FCS classes - is FGJSBBase. So, technically, no. This would be a good

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-16 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 18:52, Alex Perry wrote: On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 07:19, Christian Mayer wrote: What we really need here is for our resident flight control systems expert to whip us up a program for generating the control law gains based on the config file ... It's probably easier

RE: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-16 Thread Jon S. Berndt
From: Andy Ross In fact, this is a good example: a real F-16A (Dunno about the C) flight control computer takes its input from a set of gyros and from the position of the stick, and that's it The F-16 DFCS (beginning with Block 40) - and I suspect to some degree also the F-16A model - also

RE: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-16 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Martin. P.S.: I _really_ believe it would be wise to separate FDM and FCS using a clean interface - but this is different from the above ;-) In JSBSim it already is. There appears to be a misconception that the FDM and FCS are inappropriately linked together. In JSBSim the atmosphere,

re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-15 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: Speaking of lawn darting there seems to be a problem with autopilot altitude hold with the c310 under jsbsim. You'll see the same problem with any higher-power plane in the JSBSim, YASim, or UIUC models. The current autopilot is closely tuned to the C172 (which,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-15 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: Jim Wilson writes: Speaking of lawn darting there seems to be a problem with autopilot altitude hold with the c310 under jsbsim. You'll see the same problem with any higher-power plane in the JSBSim, YASim, or UIUC models. The current autopilot is closely

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-15 Thread Alex Perry
On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 07:19, Christian Mayer wrote: What we really need here is for our resident flight control systems expert to whip us up a program for generating the control law gains based on the config file ... It's probably easier to adapt the autoconfiguration algorithms for PID

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-15 Thread Alex Perry
Well, JSBSim theoretically has the building blocks for an autopilot, same as for an FCS. I have mentioned before that this is one thing I'd like to add in. The caveat of course is not to break anything that currently exists, piss anyone off, or preclude some other FDM from working correctly.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] altitude hold problem

2002-01-14 Thread John Wojnaroski
Speaking of lawn darting there seems to be a problem with autopilot altitude hold with the c310 under jsbsim. Or at least that's what I'm getting...an instant lawn dart (stalls and drops). Tried 2000 and 4000ft. Jsb/c172 still works fine. The problem seemed to appear around when the