Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, For the 727-230 Lufthansa livery and Cruzeiro livery were textures used found on www.cgtextures.com. In my eyes the licences allowed me to use the textures, but their FAQ says now no to OpenSource, and another OpenSorce engine (OpenArenea) ran into trouble, as I found out today. So please remove the complete file before the Release of FGFS 2.0.0, I hope to get a GNU GPL-compatible replace soon! Maybe this can be done by removing the rights to read from that directory at the CVS server side (or something)? It would be a pitty to remove everything and add it back later. Or maybe it's good enough to replace the texutures with plain white images for now? Erik -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Erik Hofman wrote: Or maybe it's good enough to replace the texutures with plain white images for now? I've done this until an agreement is reached. Erik -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
On Saturday 23 January 2010 10:43:13 Erik Hofman wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Or maybe it's good enough to replace the texutures with plain white images for now? I've done this until an agreement is reached. I hate to be the messenger here, but I think it's really obvious that these textures have to be removed from CVS completely including any history. Because otherwise one could just checkout an older version of the textures to get them thus we would be distributing them, which is explicitly not allowed by the CG textures license. Stefan -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Stefan Seifert wrote: On Saturday 23 January 2010 10:43:13 Erik Hofman wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Or maybe it's good enough to replace the texutures with plain white images for now? I've done this until an agreement is reached. I hate to be the messenger here, but I think it's really obvious that these textures have to be removed from CVS completely including any history. Because otherwise one could just checkout an older version of the textures to get them thus we would be distributing them, which is explicitly not allowed by the CG textures license. The problem was for the next release which is fixed for now. Erik -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Hello @all, Erik Hofman wrote: Or maybe it's good enough to replace the texutures with plain white images for now? I've done this until an agreement is reached. I hate to be the messenger here, but I think it's really obvious that these textures have to be removed from CVS completely including any history. Because otherwise one could just checkout an older version of the textures to get them thus we would be distributing them, which is explicitly not allowed by the CG textures license. Stefan In the moment eactly this seems to be right,(But I'm sure it is not quite right) and exactly what I want. The problem was for the next release which is fixed for now. Maybe this can be done by removing the rights to read from that directory at the CVS server side (or something)? It would be a pitty to remove everything and add it back later. I'm already in contact with the author of CGtextures.com and that's what he wrote: Quote by Marcel Vijfwinkel: Hello Heiko, Because a license does not explicitly say it cannot be used for Open Source does not mean it's fine to release the materials under an Open Source. The licenses have to be compatible in order to be allowed to do that. In CGTextures the license it says: It is not permitted to: - Sell or distribute any of these textures in an unmodified form, or where the derived product you are selling or distributing is a Texture or a collection of Textures. Most Open Source licenses allow unlimited redistribution of the materials, so the Open Source licenses are not compatible with this clause in the CGTextures license. I can understand it would be nice for your if the textures could be released under Open Source, but unfortunately it's impossible to run a business if the textures would be Open Source licensed. If I would allow the textures to be released under Open Source, anybody could upload them to Bittorrent legally. And if people could download them without being restricted by a quota they wouldn't buy memberships. Without the membership sales, I can not work on the website fulltime and I cannot afford the webhosting or camera equipment to make these textures. Allowing the release under Open Source is really not any benifit for my business (and don't get this wrong, even though I give away textures for free CGTextures is a business). One option you have is to release your art materials not under Open Source, but under a license which does not allow redistribution of the textures. Or simply use textures from another source which can be used under Open Source ofcourse. Kind regards, Marcel Vijfwinkel I'm still not convinced with his answer but until there is more clear licence or even answer by our laywers (Do we have?)I want to remove the whole history. I want to be on the safe side! Thanks Heiko __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Heiko Schulz wrote: It is clear now: the licence doesn't allow me now to use the textures, so please somene remove the whole history as soon as possible! Only Curtis is able to do so. Erik -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
It is clear now: the licence doesn't allow me now to use the textures, so please somene remove the whole history as soon as possible! Only Curtis is able to do so. Erik Hope he reads it! __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
I need a file name. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: It is clear now: the licence doesn't allow me now to use the textures, so please somene remove the whole history as soon as possible! Only Curtis is able to do so. Erik Hope he reads it! __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Hi, I need a file name. 727-230_Cruzeiro.png 727-230_Lufthansa.png Thanks! CGTextures.com stated on my advice now clearly that OpenSource can't use their textures. This wasn't clear enough before as several other OpenSource Projects told me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
How about the tail texture? $ find | grep Cruz ./Models/727-230_Cruzeiro.png,v ./Models/Liveries/Cruzeiro.xml,v ./Models/727-230.tail_Cruzeiro.png,v $ find | grep Lufth ./Models/727-230_Lufthansa.png,v ./Models/727-230.tail_Lufthansa.png,v ./Models/Liveries/Lufthansa.xml,v Thanks, Curt. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, I need a file name. 727-230_Cruzeiro.png 727-230_Lufthansa.png Thanks! CGTextures.com stated on my advice now clearly that OpenSource can't use their textures. This wasn't clear enough before as several other OpenSource Projects told me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Hi, How about the tail texture? $ find | grep Cruz./Models/727-230_Cruzeiro.png,v./Models/Liveries/Cruzeiro.xml,v./Models/727-230.tail_Cruzeiro.png,v $ find | grep Lufth./Models/727-230_Lufthansa.png,v./Models/727-230.tail_Lufthansa.png,v./Models/Liveries/Lufthansa.xml,v Thanks, Curt. They don't make use of the textures, but why not. Heiko __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Please, because we are discussing permanent removal of something from the repository, I need a very clear list of exactly what needs to be removed. I found 2 additional textures (png files) with similar names to the textures you requested be removed. I asked about these. Your answer indicated that these two textures do not make use of textures which doesn't quite make sense. If you could give me an exact list of path + filename for each file you would like to see removed I can do this. I hate to guess or assume or have to string dots together to arrive at [hopefully] the right answer. Thank you in advance, Curt. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, How about the tail texture? $ find | grep Cruz./Models/727-230_Cruzeiro.png,v./Models/Liveries/Cruzeiro.xml,v./Models/727-230.tail_Cruzeiro.png,v $ find | grep Lufth./Models/727-230_Lufthansa.png,v./Models/727-230.tail_Lufthansa.png,v./Models/Liveries/Lufthansa.xml,v Thanks, Curt. They don't make use of the textures, but why not. Heiko __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Please, because we are discussing permanent removal of something from the repository, I need a very clear list of exactly what needs to be removed. I found 2 additional textures (png files) with similar names to the textures you requested be removed. I asked about these. Your answer indicated that these two textures do not make use of textures which doesn't quite make sense. If you could give me an exact list of path + filename for each file you would like to see removed I can do this. I hate to guess or assume or have to string dots together to arrive at [hopefully] the right answer. Thank you in advance, Curt. Curt, I used for some parts of a not-allowed texture unknown to me for the .png-files Only the fuselage-texture were affected. I thought it was clear. To be clear: Please remove data/Aircraft/727-230/Models/727-230_Lufthansa.png data/Aircraft/727-230/Models/727-230_Cruzeiro.png as they are only affected. Sorry for the inconvience __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Please remove 727-230 from CVS- Licence issues!
Ok, thanks, just wanted to be sure. These two files are now gone. Curt. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Please, because we are discussing permanent removal of something from the repository, I need a very clear list of exactly what needs to be removed. I found 2 additional textures (png files) with similar names to the textures you requested be removed. I asked about these. Your answer indicated that these two textures do not make use of textures which doesn't quite make sense. If you could give me an exact list of path + filename for each file you would like to see removed I can do this. I hate to guess or assume or have to string dots together to arrive at [hopefully] the right answer. Thank you in advance, Curt. Curt, I used for some parts of a not-allowed texture unknown to me for the .png-files Only the fuselage-texture were affected. I thought it was clear. To be clear: Please remove data/Aircraft/727-230/Models/727-230_Lufthansa.png data/Aircraft/727-230/Models/727-230_Cruzeiro.png as they are only affected. Sorry for the inconvience __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
