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Erik Hofman wrote: daveluff wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Hi Erik, I'm still unable to run without a segfault since the new sound system was committed. Here is my call stack: Two things; 1. it /is/ the latest version in CVS right? 2. Can you specify which options you have turned on (esp. the ones that others might not use regularly) Hi Erik, It was the latest CVS SimGear, FlightGear and data when I wrote the message a couple of days ago. The only command line option was my fg-data path. The only thing changed in preferences was that the parking brake is on. Basically as near to a vanilla startup as possible. Now I know that Vivian is successfully compiling and running with the new sound and MSVC it sounds like it's my problem. I'll try and track it down at this end. Cheers - Dave -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Vivian Meazza wrote: MSVC9 is available for free download. I don't know if using that would help. FG builds and runs with that here, although I do get a segfault on reset, which I have only just noticed. (MSVC10 Beta 2 is also available, but I haven't tried that) Hi Vivian, It's good to know that it is possible to get it working :-) How do you install and link openAL? I've been using the SDK installer, but the .lib that provides is dated 2005 and never seems to get updated, only the .dll seems to get updated. Would it be possible for you to upload your solution somewhere so I can sanity check which libraries I'm linking against? Cheers - Dave -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Dave wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: MSVC9 is available for free download. I don't know if using that would help. FG builds and runs with that here, although I do get a segfault on reset, which I have only just noticed. (MSVC10 Beta 2 is also available, but I haven't tried that) Hi Vivian, It's good to know that it is possible to get it working :-) How do you install and link openAL? I've been using the SDK installer, but the .lib that provides is dated 2005 and never seems to get updated, only the .dll seems to get updated. Would it be possible for you to upload your solution somewhere so I can sanity check which libraries I'm linking against? Try this lot - ftp://ftp.abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/MSVC9/ But be warned - there are some very local paths in there. All I can say is - works for me. It has evolved over several years, and I wouldn't like to have to recreate from scratch now :-) Vivian -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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daveluff wrote: I'm still unable to run without a segfault since the new sound system was committed. Here is my call stack: Sigh, it's starting to become a nightmare. Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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daveluff wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Hi Erik, I'm still unable to run without a segfault since the new sound system was committed. Here is my call stack: Two things; 1. it /is/ the latest version in CVS right? 2. Can you specify which options you have turned on (esp. the ones that others might not use regularly) Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On 12 Nov 2009, at 22:23, daveluff wrote: I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Hi Erik, I'm still unable to run without a segfault since the new sound system was committed. Here is my call stack: Given that most other people who've tried *can* run with the new code (now), it would be good to make absolutely sure this isn't a configuration problem at Dave's / your end, before we give Erik any more late nights. James -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Dave wrote -Original Message- From: daveluff [mailto:davel...@ntlworld.com] Sent: 12 November 2009 22:26 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem continued Alasdair Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 14:56 +, James Turner wrote: On 9 Nov 2009, at 13:58, Geoff McLane wrote: 4. At start up, getting a whole bunch of - voice synth: word 'airport_information' not found voice synth: word '/_' not found voice synth: word 'automated_weather_observation' not found ... etc but maybe I have not 'installed' something? That's an unrelated problem, due to some ATIS changes I committed, and the fact that our ATC text-to-speech system needs some love. I have come to love that ATIS voice. I wonder if the delightful lady could be persuaded to fill in the gaps. Hi Alasdair, That sound be no problem, if I can drag her away from the karaoke machine for long enough! I need to get sound working again on my FG installation first though. Cheers - Dave MSVC9 is available for free download. I don't know if using that would help. FG builds and runs with that here, although I do get a segfault on reset, which I have only just noticed. (MSVC10 Beta 2 is also available, but I haven't tried that) Vivian -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Hi Erik, I'm still unable to run without a segfault since the new sound system was committed. Here is my call stack: fgfs.exe!SGSoundSample::free_data() Line 175 + 0x1e bytesC++ fgfs.exe!SGSoundMgr::request_buffer(SGSoundSample * sample=0x1286e0c8) Line 437C++ fgfs.exe!SGSampleGroup::update(double dt=0.06) Line 129 + 0x12 bytesC++ fgfs.exe!FGFX::update(double dt=0.06) Line 142C++ fgfs.exe!SGSoundMgr::update(double dt=0.06) Line 257 + 0x17 bytesC++ fgfs.exe!fgMainLoop() Line 489C++ fgfs.exe!fgOSMainLoop() Line 173C++ fgfs.exe!fgMainInit(int argc=2, char * * argv=0x02cde298) Line 899C++ fgfs.exe!main(int argc=2, char * * argv=0x02cde298) Line 229 + 0xd bytesC++ I'm compiling using MSVC 2005 Express (the free one), on a fairly old PC (Athlon, ~1GHz), the sound card is a Creative Soundblaster Live, I think, there's also built in sound on the motherboard. Cheers - Dave -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Alasdair Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 14:56 +, James Turner wrote: On 9 Nov 2009, at 13:58, Geoff McLane wrote: 4. At start up, getting a whole bunch of - voice synth: word 'airport_information' not found voice synth: word '/_' not found voice synth: word 'automated_weather_observation' not found ... etc but maybe I have not 'installed' something? That's an unrelated problem, due to some ATIS changes I committed, and the fact that our ATC text-to-speech system needs some love. I have come to love that ATIS voice. I wonder if the delightful lady could be persuaded to fill in the gaps. Hi Alasdair, That sound be no problem, if I can drag her away from the karaoke machine for long enough! I need to get sound working again on my FG installation first though. Cheers - Dave -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Alasdair Campbell wrote: For many days now, I have been reporting similar problems, but Erik has seemed to be prominently reluctant in assiduously avoiding addressing or responding to any of my questions. Perhaps someone acting as a nice kind of moderator might be persuaded to jog Erik along to answer well meant questions. For my own part, as a long term user and sometime contributer to FG CVS, I find this behaviour a little disconcerting. If there is anything wrong in the way I have phrased my questions, I believe it to be common courtesy to advise me. To utterly ignore me is, in my opinion, pretty bad form. Well, I've asked for problems and got a response. I read those responses and try to address them. I could respond to every single response but many of those address the same problem and to be honest I don't see a reason to replay with the same answer to them all. I do read them (if I receive them since I just noticed I don't seem to get all messages from this list :( ) and try to correct them. So, don't take this personally, it's just that I rather spent my time fix code than giving the same response to every one. Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Alasdair Campbell wrote: OMG, thank you for your response, Syd. I was beginning to beieve I was just a bad smell. I look forward to the day when FG CVS will be usable again (sound ? 2d, 3d, I don't give a ) Personally, I don't need a hi-fi sound system to enjoy a flight simulator. And I will feel a lot happier when the day comes that a contributer makes a decent attempt to test his work before abusing his privilege to commit untested and questionable work to CVS. Oh well, never mind my previous response. I might have been too polite. Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 04:20 +0100, Csaba Halász wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Alasdair Campbell ali...@btinternet.com wrote: And I will feel a lot happier when the day comes that a contributer makes a decent attempt to test his work before abusing his privilege to commit untested and questionable work to CVS. CVS is for developing stuff. For testing and review one needs to publish the new code somewhere. You can't expect it to be in perfect order all the time. Erik *has* tried to reproduce the reported problems but some just didn't happen for him. Especially with the various versions of OpenAl out there that have caused trouble before, I certainly feel he has made a decent attempt to test his work. If we will have a better sound system after a few weeks of development, that's fine with me, even if it includes some detours or dead-ends. Maybe you should take a little vacation ;) I hope your comments will not discourage Erik and other potential contributors. We need more developers not less. On a related note, I think it is time to put GIT on the official agenda again. That way it would be easy for interested parties to test new code. My thanks to you, Scot and James for your responses, which are noted and respected. I do realize that CVS is a development environment, else I would not feel involved. However, I also strongly believe that CVS and other SCM systems in the public domain rely on a QA system. The reason that I chose to react a little strongly was that I made many Qs but received exactly zero As. Sometimes the auditors of software provide as much benifit as the editors. Developers who propose dramatic changes should expect questions and in my opinion have a duty to respond to such. Sorry, Erik, I was feeling a little frustrated with having no luck with getting your changes to work for me, but I guess it is nothing like the frustration you must feel. On a totally different subject, I recall your kind offer of some patches you have available on gitorious. I would be very grateful if you could mail me the patches you have made to commlist.cxx. Kind regards, Alasdair. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Alasdair Campbell wrote: Sorry, Erik, I was feeling a little frustrated with having no luck with getting your changes to work for me, but I guess it is nothing like the frustration you must feel. Alright, but Keep in mind that, while you might have not noticed this, I've had many very long days (around 12 hours) sessions to find bugs you've reported. Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On 11/10/2009 09:36 AM, Alasdair Campbell wrote: On a totally different subject, I recall your kind offer of some patches you have available on gitorious. I would be very grateful if you could mail me the patches you have made to commlist.cxx. That patch was checked into CVS on November 8th. You could also clone the flightgear repositories on gitorious locally and build from them; it's always helpful to have more users of that path. Tim -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Note that I've added a 'typeavionics/type' tag to the xml configuration options that can be used for radios or stall warnings that are defined in the sound configuration file. Adding it makes that section behave as if it was part of the avionics meaning it will not have any position and orientation calculations and (at this time) will always be audible regardless of the current view. Hi Erik, Sounds great. I'll try this on my aircraft ASAP. A related question: Is it or will it be possible to split the sound file into parts and load them into the main sound file? I'm particularly interested in using the property overlay mechanism to instantiate certain properties when loading the subfiles. This is currently possible and useful with for 3d model XML files, see e.g. the use of display-text.xml in Aircraft/ZLT-NT/Models/Instruments/CenterMFD/ It would be great to be able to write one sound file with all the effects related to an engine and then just load it X time with a small overlay section to connect to the right properties for each of the X engines on the aircraft. Cheers, Anders -- --- Anders Gidenstam WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org/FlightGear/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 11:53 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Hi Erik, Updated FG/SG/DATA CVS as of an hour ago... Using only the default c172... 1. The cabin sound is loader than before - maybe I should buy earmuffs ;=)) Is there an xml setting for this? 2. The cabin sound does NOT seems to vary with engine RPM, as it did before. But it does in the outside tail view... 3. In takeoff, or flight, pulling or pushing on the stick used to cause a sound variation, but now there is NONE? Maybe this is right, and the previous wrong? 4. At start up, getting a whole bunch of - voice synth: word 'airport_information' not found voice synth: word '/_' not found voice synth: word 'automated_weather_observation' not found ... etc but maybe I have not 'installed' something? Hope this helps. Regards, Geoff. In: Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit $ dpkg -l | grep OpenAL ii libalut-dev 1.1.0-1 ii libalut0 1.1.0-1 ii libopenal-dev1:0.0.8-7 ii libopenal0a 1:0.0.8-7 OSG: 2.8.1 -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On 9 Nov 2009, at 13:58, Geoff McLane wrote: 4. At start up, getting a whole bunch of - voice synth: word 'airport_information' not found voice synth: word '/_' not found voice synth: word 'automated_weather_observation' not found ... etc but maybe I have not 'installed' something? That's an unrelated problem, due to some ATIS changes I committed, and the fact that our ATC text-to-speech system needs some love. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 14:58 +0100, Geoff McLane wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 11:53 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Hi Erik, Updated FG/SG/DATA CVS as of an hour ago... Using only the default c172... 1. The cabin sound is loader than before - maybe I should buy earmuffs ;=)) Is there an xml setting for this? 2. The cabin sound does NOT seems to vary with engine RPM, as it did before. But it does in the outside tail view... 3. In takeoff, or flight, pulling or pushing on the stick used to cause a sound variation, but now there is NONE? Maybe this is right, and the previous wrong? Hi Geoff, I am very pleased to see your post which confirms everything I observe. Since Eric started work on the 3d sound system, I have been unable to use the CVS version of Flightgear. The reason? on the default c172P, I cannot enable sound because the volume of data/Sounds/wasp.wav and data/Sounds/wind.wav are played at maximum volume, making other sounds such as atis, I/O/M markers, flaps, etc unhearable. There was a moment when Eric showed a moment of uncharacteristic frustration and ripped all his code out of CVS. I built that version at 2009-11-01 21:37:16 (GMT) and it works well, all sounds being balanced and audible. As I am particularly keen on keeping up-to-date with James Turners's work with a view to implementing a decent ATC system, I really want to be able to use a workable CVS My System: Hardware: Processor : 2x AMD Athlon 7450 Dual-Core Processor Memory : 2061MB OpenGL Renderer : GeForce 9800 GT/PCI/SSE2 Resolution : 1280x1024 pixels Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia Input Devices- Saitek Saitek X45 Flight Control Stick Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) Software: Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation OSG : OpenSceneGraph-2.8.2 Simgear : CVS FlightGear : CVS OpenAL : Debian 1:1.9.563.-1 Kind Regards, Alasdair -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 14:56 +, James Turner wrote: On 9 Nov 2009, at 13:58, Geoff McLane wrote: 4. At start up, getting a whole bunch of - voice synth: word 'airport_information' not found voice synth: word '/_' not found voice synth: word 'automated_weather_observation' not found ... etc but maybe I have not 'installed' something? That's an unrelated problem, due to some ATIS changes I committed, and the fact that our ATC text-to-speech system needs some love. I have come to love that ATIS voice. I wonder if the delightful lady could be persuaded to fill in the gaps. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Everything seems to work here now , plus I now have doppler in flyby views ...(with a much more realistic pitch change) ... Thanks for all your work . I do now have very loud wind noise in some cases , so I need to redo some sound xml files. Are there any new added options/changes I can experiment with ? Cheers On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Note that I've added a 'typeavionics/type' tag to the xml configuration options that can be used for radios or stall warnings that are defined in the sound configuration file. Adding it makes that section behave as if it was part of the avionics meaning it will not have any position and orientation calculations and (at this time) will always be audible regardless of the current view. Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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syd adams wrote: Everything seems to work here now , plus I now have doppler in flyby views ...(with a much more realistic pitch change) ... Thanks for all your work . I do now have very loud wind noise in some cases , so I need to redo some sound xml files. Are there any new added options/changes I can experiment with ? Cheers I would be better to hold off any changes just yet. There is still something strange going on: OpenAL-Sample: * has proper Doppler effect with normal velocity (or alDopplerFactor set to 1.0) and does have directionals sounds with the current code but the volume slider does not work properly OpenAL Soft: * needs velocity multiplied by 60-100 (or better yet alDopplerFactor set by 60-100), does *not* have directional sound and the volume slider does not work properly My OpenAL implementation: * needs velocity multiplied by 60-100 (or better yet alDopplerFactor set by 60-100), does *not* have directional sound but the volume slider *does* work properly I seem to remember I had the volume slider working properly. Maybe I should make a diff against the version Alasdair mentioned. Erik -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 12:15 -0800, syd adams wrote: Everything seems to work here now , plus I now have doppler in flyby views ...(with a much more realistic pitch change) ... Thanks for all your work . I do now have very loud wind noise in some cases , so I need to redo some sound xml files. Are there any new added options/changes I can experiment with ? Cheers On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anybody has any problems/bugs/oddities that needs to be addressed in the latest SoundSystem code. Note that I've added a 'typeavionics/type' tag to the xml configuration options that can be used for radios or stall warnings that are defined in the sound configuration file. Adding it makes that section behave as if it was part of the avionics meaning it will not have any position and orientation calculations and (at this time) will always be audible regardless of the current view. Erik -- For many days now, I have been reporting similar problems, but Erik has seemed to be prominently reluctant in assiduously avoiding addressing or responding to any of my questions. Perhaps someone acting as a nice kind of moderator might be persuaded to jog Erik along to answer well meant questions. For my own part, as a long term user and sometime contributer to FG CVS, I find this behaviour a little disconcerting. If there is anything wrong in the way I have phrased my questions, I believe it to be common courtesy to advise me. To utterly ignore me is, in my opinion, pretty bad form. Alasdair -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem continued
For many days now, I have been reporting similar problems, but Erik has seemed to be prominently reluctant in assiduously avoiding addressing or responding to any of my questions. Perhaps someone acting as a nice kind of moderator might be persuaded to jog Erik along to answer well meant questions. For my own part, as a long term user and sometime contributer to FG CVS, I find this behaviour a little disconcerting. If there is anything wrong in the way I have phrased my questions, I believe it to be common courtesy to advise me. To utterly ignore me is, in my opinion, pretty bad form. Alasdair Well , like he's pointed out , there are still issues to be worked out ... it's getting there :) Cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem continued
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 17:11 -0800, syd adams wrote: For many days now, I have been reporting similar problems, but Erik has seemed to be prominently reluctant in assiduously avoiding addressing or responding to any of my questions. Perhaps someone acting as a nice kind of moderator might be persuaded to jog Erik along to answer well meant questions. For my own part, as a long term user and sometime contributer to FG CVS, I find this behaviour a little disconcerting. If there is anything wrong in the way I have phrased my questions, I believe it to be common courtesy to advise me. To utterly ignore me is, in my opinion, pretty bad form. Alasdair Well , like he's pointed out , there are still issues to be worked out ... it's getting there :) Cheers OMG, thank you for your response, Syd. I was beginning to beieve I was just a bad smell. I look forward to the day when FG CVS will be usable again (sound ? 2d, 3d, I don't give a ) Personally, I don't need a hi-fi sound system to enjoy a flight simulator. And I will feel a lot happier when the day comes that a contributer makes a decent attempt to test his work before abusing his privilege to commit untested and questionable work to CVS. Kind regards, Alasdair -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem continued
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Alasdair Campbell ali...@btinternet.com wrote: And I will feel a lot happier when the day comes that a contributer makes a decent attempt to test his work before abusing his privilege to commit untested and questionable work to CVS. CVS is for developing stuff. For testing and review one needs to publish the new code somewhere. You can't expect it to be in perfect order all the time. Erik *has* tried to reproduce the reported problems but some just didn't happen for him. Especially with the various versions of OpenAl out there that have caused trouble before, I certainly feel he has made a decent attempt to test his work. If we will have a better sound system after a few weeks of development, that's fine with me, even if it includes some detours or dead-ends. Maybe you should take a little vacation ;) I hope your comments will not discourage Erik and other potential contributors. We need more developers not less. On a related note, I think it is time to put GIT on the official agenda again. That way it would be easy for interested parties to test new code. -- Csaba/Jester -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem continued
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 04:20 +0100, Csaba Halász wrote: Source code repositories are for developers, every project whether open source or a project that a company IT department is building in-house will have broken builds. So the QA phase of open source projects is when interested folk (like myself) go to the trouble of building and (informally) testing the code. No project I have worked on has ever done QA before a commit, while a developer will do sanity checks (ie: does it compile, does it not do anything seriously wrong) it would be complex and introduce unnecessary delays to undertake QA before committing. Git does seem to provide the ability, with distributed repositories, to allow different folk to have different stages of development available to them locally. Continuous builds may be a good mechanism to provide a middle solution, in that developers can commit and see if different build configurations break, it also means (with tagging) that different nightly, weekly, monthly builds can be retrieved by those who don't want/need bleeding edge functionality. With a move to a new source-code repository tool, I would suggest looking at the build and unit testing tools. Just my few small monetary denominations worth S. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Alasdair Campbell ali...@btinternet.com wrote: And I will feel a lot happier when the day comes that a contributer makes a decent attempt to test his work before abusing his privilege to commit untested and questionable work to CVS. CVS is for developing stuff. For testing and review one needs to publish the new code somewhere. You can't expect it to be in perfect order all the time. Erik *has* tried to reproduce the reported problems but some just didn't happen for him. Especially with the various versions of OpenAl out there that have caused trouble before, I certainly feel he has made a decent attempt to test his work. If we will have a better sound system after a few weeks of development, that's fine with me, even if it includes some detours or dead-ends. Maybe you should take a little vacation ;) I hope your comments will not discourage Erik and other potential contributors. We need more developers not less. On a related note, I think it is time to put GIT on the official agenda again. That way it would be easy for interested parties to test new code. ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] SoundSystem continued
On 10/11/09 15:13, Alasdair Campbell wrote: happier when the day comes that a contributer makes a decent attempt to test his work before abusing his privilege to commit untested and questionable work to CVS. If you want a (more) trouble free existence, download the official release and forget about CVS! Or just stik with a prior CVS revision. CVS is for people who wish to assist in the development, by either taking an active part in developing, alpha testing, or providing constructive comment. CVS is not for users. Sometimes things take time to work out when everybody is a VOLUNTEER. Welcome to software development in general. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
