Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
Le dimanche 02 octobre 2005 à 18:28 -0400, Ed Baker a écrit : Hi George, P.S. Some people in the Linux/Unix camp tend to look down on MS-Windows users. I used to be in that camp myself. I've been an active unix user since 1979 and I owned a copy of Slackware linux when it was distributed on 19 three and one half inch floppies. I'm not a rooky when it comes to working in Unix. However, I refuse to run Flightgear on a unix box. I'll concede that Unix/Linux is great ... no doubt about it ... but, as they say two hundred and twenty five million Beatles fans can't be all wrong. If Flightgear plans to draw a large audience (and I think it is worthy of it), the Flightgear community HAS TO REALIZE that they MUST appeal to the MS-Windows community. That's just the facts ... it's not an opinion, it's not an us versus them scenario. It's just what it is. There's no denying it. Your remark is rather funny for me. I am one of the Linux users who will never exchange 1 thousand of MS- Windows with a little Linux. In the past, i spent too much time in difficulties to make something working correctly with MS-Windows. I spent money in adding and adding extra power and memory to make it working. Fortunately today I am free to use the operating system i want. The future., about the market you should look at Chinese and Russian place before any conclusions. Up to MS-Windows users to patch and develop in their MS BOX. Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:28:25 -0400, Ed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If Flightgear plans to draw a large audience ..precisely. If. ;o) (and I think it is worthy of it), the Flightgear community HAS TO REALIZE that they MUST appeal to the MS-Windows community. That's just ..bull. You are welcome to compare the merits of what you have experienced with Wintendo, with what you learn with FlightGear. ;o) the facts ... it's not an opinion, it's not an us versus them scenario. It's just what it is. There's no denying it. ..this sounds more like some MSFS folks bracing themselves for the Horrors of Capitalism, like in Competition on Tech etc Merits. ;o) Bring it on! ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
Le lundi 03 octobre 2005 à 18:46 +0200, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:28:25 -0400, Ed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If Flightgear plans to draw a large audience ..precisely. If. ;o) (and I think it is worthy of it), the Flightgear community HAS TO REALIZE that they MUST appeal to the MS-Windows community. That's just ..bull. You are welcome to compare the merits of what you have experienced with Wintendo, with what you learn with FlightGear. ;o) the facts ... it's not an opinion, it's not an us versus them scenario. It's just what it is. There's no denying it. ..this sounds more like some MSFS folks bracing themselves for the Horrors of Capitalism, like in Competition on Tech etc Merits. ;o) Bring it on! ;o) Your remarks sound to me like a Sibelius Symphony :-)) -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
Hi, The whole problem is that MS-Windows users are quite prepared to use the better products from the Open Source world, but are at the same time simply too stupid and/or too lazy to work on those projects themselves ;-) If they think FlightGear is worthy of MSWindows (I wouldn't be proud of it ...) they should simply start contributing to it . There is no such thing as a free meal, albeit it may not be money you'll have to invest this time ;-) Bye, Kees Lemmens PS : Eric Brasseur , thanks for your excellent contribution (the tutorial) ! On Monday 03 October 2005 18:55, Gerard ROBIN wrote: Le lundi 03 octobre 2005 à 18:46 +0200, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:28:25 -0400, Ed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If Flightgear plans to draw a large audience ..precisely. If. ;o) (and I think it is worthy of it), the Flightgear community HAS TO REALIZE that they MUST appeal to the MS-Windows community. That's just ..bull. You are welcome to compare the merits of what you have experienced with Wintendo, with what you learn with FlightGear. ;o) the facts ... it's not an opinion, it's not an us versus them scenario. It's just what it is. There's no denying it. ..this sounds more like some MSFS folks bracing themselves for the Horrors of Capitalism, like in Competition on Tech etc Merits. ;o) Bring it on! ;o) Your remarks sound to me like a Sibelius Symphony :-)) ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
On Monday 03 October 2005 19:49, Kees Lemmens wrote: If they think FlightGear is worthy of MSWindows (I wouldn't be proud of it ...) they should simply start contributing to it . I think it should be noted that several FG developers work mainly or solely on Windows. It's easy to generalise, but not all Windows users are idiots, and not all *nix users are clued-up programmers! The only other thing I would like to point out is that if someone is going to the effort of making nice graphical front-ends for FG it would make a lot of sense to try and use cross-platform tools so that everyone can benefit. There are plenty of Linux / Mac users (not me, but I know of a few) who would find such a thing very useful too... AJ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
Kees Lemmens schrieb: Hi, The whole problem is that MS-Windows users are quite prepared to use the better products from the Open Source world, but are at the same time simply too stupid and/or too lazy to work on those projects themselves ;-) If they think FlightGear is worthy of MSWindows (I wouldn't be proud of it ...) they should simply start contributing to it . There is no such thing as a free meal, albeit it may not be money you'll have to invest this time ;-) Bye, Kees Lemmens People, think about it: this is a very bad style to misuse my topic to make a flame war over another theme. If you read the original topic, it was just an announcement for a tool and asking developers who have some knowledge about ATLAS and/or MAP to have a look at the manual to correct possible errors. I don't really understand all that bullsh.. which came afterwards. Please use another topic if you are interested in fighting each other. My intention is to start some work for FlightGear, not war. Regards Georg EDDW ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
FLIGHTGEARTOOLS Version 1.0 for Win32 FlightGearTools is the startup for a tool collection for FlightGear under Win32. The first page is related to MAP, ATLAS and FlightGear+Atlas on one PC. There might be some more pages for other stuff if there is interest from the user-side. My intention is to make things easier for those people who are not interested in the complicated stuff you need to make things working but want to use an alternative and promising flightsim. I put the complete package as a *.zip file today on my homepage before uploading it to the AVSIM filelibrary (FlightGear) within the next week. The reason for this is a) to have some feedback from users which might result in improving something before having it deposited at AVSIM where a change is not easy. USER: Please download the package, read the manual carefully, install FlightGearTools, install Map/Atlas, do some map work and contact me as soon as possible! b) to have some feedback of developers who might not want the package but can read the manual online and give some more hints. DEVELOPER: Please read the manual below. You might skip all stuff regarding FlightGearTools but have a look at those passages regarding ATLAS, MAP and FlightGear Wizard. If you have any idea what could be corrected or improved before the upload, please contact me as soon as possible (eMail or Atlas devel mailing list). Thank you for your cooperation. Here is the link to my homepage: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FlightGear/HomeFGToolsM.htm I have to thank all those who supported me by answering my questions on the Atlas devel mailing list and with that supported the development of this tool and the manual. Thank you for your interest and (hopefully) feedback, good and bad :-) ) Regards Georg EDDW ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
Hi George, At first glance, this looks awesome. I'm going to give it a thorough workout within the next few days and let you know how I make out. If you'd be interested, I'd be willing to help you create a PDF file of the tutorial. There's a low cost ($20 USD) pdf editor available from www.pdf995.com . It was featured in the October 18, 2005 issue of PC-Magazine. I'd be more than happy to convert your document into pdf. All I would need is the photos in jpeg format. Regardless of the outcome, kudos and congratulations on your superb effort to create this tutorial. Ed and Joanne Baker (www.theworld.com/~ejb) P.S. Some people in the Linux/Unix camp tend to look down on MS-Windows users. I used to be in that camp myself. I've been an active unix user since 1979 and I owned a copy of Slackware linux when it was distributed on 19 three and one half inch floppies. I'm not a rooky when it comes to working in Unix. However, I refuse to run Flightgear on a unix box. I'll concede that Unix/Linux is great ... no doubt about it ... but, as they say two hundred and twenty five million Beatles fans can't be all wrong. If Flightgear plans to draw a large audience (and I think it is worthy of it), the Flightgear community HAS TO REALIZE that they MUST appeal to the MS-Windows community. That's just the facts ... it's not an opinion, it's not an us versus them scenario. It's just what it is. There's no denying it. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10/2/2005 at 9:15 PM Georg Vollnhals wrote: FLIGHTGEARTOOLS Version 1.0 for Win32 FlightGearTools is the startup for a tool collection for FlightGear under Win32. The first page is related to MAP, ATLAS and FlightGear+Atlas on one PC. There might be some more pages for other stuff if there is interest from the user-side. My intention is to make things easier for those people who are not interested in the complicated stuff you need to make things working but want to use an alternative and promising flightsim. I put the complete package as a *.zip file today on my homepage before uploading it to the AVSIM filelibrary (FlightGear) within the next week. The reason for this is a) to have some feedback from users which might result in improving something before having it deposited at AVSIM where a change is not easy. USER: Please download the package, read the manual carefully, install FlightGearTools, install Map/Atlas, do some map work and contact me as soon as possible! b) to have some feedback of developers who might not want the package but can read the manual online and give some more hints. DEVELOPER: Please read the manual below. You might skip all stuff regarding FlightGearTools but have a look at those passages regarding ATLAS, MAP and FlightGear Wizard. If you have any idea what could be corrected or improved before the upload, please contact me as soon as possible (eMail or Atlas devel mailing list). Thank you for your cooperation. Here is the link to my homepage: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FlightGear/HomeFGToolsM.htm I have to thank all those who supported me by answering my questions on the Atlas devel mailing list and with that supported the development of this tool and the manual. Thank you for your interest and (hopefully) feedback, good and bad :-) ) Regards Georg EDDW ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] FlightGearTools Version 1.0 now available
If you'd be interested, I'd be willing to help you create a PDF file of the tutorial. There's a low cost ($20 USD) pdf editor available from www.pdf995.com . It was featured in the October 18, 2005 issue of PC-Magazine. I'd be more than happy to convert your document into pdf. All I would need is the photos in jpeg format. There's also the free open source PDF Creator: http://sector7g.wurzel6.de/pdfcreator/index_en.htm Jon ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
