Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ
Whats all the fuss with Eric Andersen? I'm already a more established artist than Eric Andersen, and I am 22 years old. I don't understand, you're an established artist, and you're still smelling Fluxus ass? c'mon, you can't be established and try to be fluxus, that's how Eric is XXX year

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re the catalogue eric mentions it,s pretty good - i recommend it (for what my recommendation is worth) al

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Sol Nte
Eric Andersen may be an important artist but from my experience his personality leaves a lot to be desired. As anyone who has been on the list for over a year is well aware Eric does his I'm real Fluxus, you're not bit about every 6 months, what he doesn't say but which anyone can read about in

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Eric Andersen
Again there seem to be some misunderstandings around I have never told a person that he could not be an artist or fluxus of even a fluxus artist Initially we never used that term Now we use it on and off because the world seems to insist The interesting thing is not if you are an artist or

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Sol Nte
Eric Andersen wrote: The Flux List however is phoney because in relation to the term Fluxus it primarily deals with ignorance, unawareness and misconception. Among the persons who founded it all the list is considered silly and an unintelligent joke. That's why nobody from the founding group

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread ann klefstad
Sol Nte wrote: 9) I didn't think I had this many points Dear Sol, Here's some more points, should you wish to use them: (oops the last one was a counterpoint) AK

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Carol Starr
hi sol, thanks again for your words on fluxus and fluxlist. thanks to owen too. i have been on fluxlist since it started and didn't really know much about fluxus; still don't. what i like is the fun and interaction with the group and i think labels get in the way. anderson pops up from time to

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Sol Nte
Hi all, Anne wrote: ]Dear Sol, Here's some more points, should you wish to use them: (oops the last one was a counterpoint)[ Actually I like counterpoint, my favourite example being Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint. BTW - NP died a death didn't it? Shame as I quite liked it.

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Eric Andersen
That's why nobody from the founding group ever address themselves to the list A part from me, who sometimes are quite amused by phoniness address is present tense In general the artists who participated in the first festivals are considered to form the founding group It is interesting to

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread Sol Nte
Alan wrote: I have had the good fortune to meet many of the surviving originals and some later arrivals and heard their views first hand, reminiscences, memories etc. At no point has anyone talked about this wonderful Fluxustime. Sure, things were new, fun, interesting,whatever, but perhaps

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-28 Thread alan bowman
hi all sol writ In fact I like the direction he(as well as Dick Higgins) took Fluxus in best of all. The whole Mail Art thing and publishing via Something Else Press.it's all about owning the means of production, I like the idea of particpating in art activity but at the same time

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread Don Boyd
ERIC, WHO MENTIONED KEN? I THINK YOU DID.-DON _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread St.Auby Tamas
: FLUXLIST: The real old thing (...) Ken Friedman seem to be Ken isn't a REAL artist). (...) Allen Bukoff

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread Eric Andersen
The amount of ignorance on This Phoney Flux List is amazing. A person I don't know, Allen Bukoff, - I guess from the mid-West, - published the 24th of Feb.on the list an article in where he connects me to Ken Friedman in at least 2 ways. Since this is absolutely not true, I responded to the list

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread Dan Holmes
Friends, artists, and fellow fakers, Somebody please be kind enough to tell me what Fluxus really is. Clearly, I must've been mistaken, as there is plenty of hostility and negativity concerning false Fluxus and who is more Fluxus than someone else. Mr. Andersen, I acknowledge your

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread Owen Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody please be kind enough to tell me what Fluxus really is. Clearly, I must've been mistaken, as there is plenty of hostility and negativity concerning false Fluxus and who is more Fluxus than someone else. Mr. Andersen, I acknowledge your history with

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread Eric Andersen
There is no definition and there is no rigid frame. But not everything is Fluxus. Ignorance certainly not. For people who are interested in genuine information about Fluxus, I can recommend the newly published catalogue from Museo Villa Croce in Genova. The name of the catalogue is The Fluxus

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-27 Thread ann klefstad
Owen Smith wrote: an autonomy from the social order and an embracement of the other major aspect of the Fluxus world view, the freedom of play Owen, your brief essay to which I refer with the above quotelet is gorgeous Very very nice Can I pass it on to others? With attributionI

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-25 Thread Don Boyd
Dear Allen and listers, Right on, Right on and then some! You said it well. I don't claim to be a Fluxus scholar either, but I know Alison Knowles seems to like Eric. Maybe it's the personal charm as you said. I woiuld like to know more. -Don Boyd. Director of Flusu West (A title approved

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-25 Thread Eric Andersen
That's exactly what I meant with The Silly Boys. I am not sure I fully understand why Ken Friedman has to be mentioned again. As far as I remember, I have never attacked him. I have corrected a number of mistakes he has made and offered some information to the list. Also as far as I remember, I

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-25 Thread St.Auby Tamas
H, On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, allen bukoff wrote: I can't find any links to Eric's work or bios for Eric (anyone have any, I'll add them)! http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=qkl=XXq=mao+tse+tungsearch=Search I am mostly blank. So I would be happy to hear anyone else's more informed

Fwd: FLUXLIST: The real old thing (correction)

2002-02-25 Thread allen bukoff
Of all the original Fluxus participants (as defined by performing at Weisbaden festival in 1962) I have the least grasp of what his contribution was and has been. It has been brought to my attention that I made at least one mistake in my previous post. Eric Andersen was NOT one of the

Re: FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-25 Thread Scout Thompson
Whats all the fuss with Eric Andersen? I'm already a more "established artist" than Eric Andersen, and I am 22 years old. And while "established" doesn't mean "interesting," he's not done any new work that I know of, either. Let's not worry about him, he is no one, holding on to a movement

FLUXLIST: The real old thing

2002-02-24 Thread allen bukoff
Don't let these silly boys from The Mid-West and West US confuse you. They have noting to do with Fluxus. They are entirely phony. Just read the title: Director, Fluxus West. Utterly ridiculous. What you saw in Genova was the real thing. Keep in touch, Eric Andersen I sit here unable to