Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread Ray Norman
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia



Currently, it’s probably true to say that Fluxus is discussed more within institutions (academia, galleries, museums, etc.) than it is outside them.

 Is that a problem? If so, to whom?


Ray ... from way out here at  and the home of   



From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun Mar 13, 2005  6:07:38 PM Australia/Melbourne
To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia
Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com


On Mar 12 2005, at 16:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

am i wrong to say/think that fluxus is tied to academia?

I think that it's more on a leash than anything...







Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread Crispin Webb
everyone is a part of academia.. we are all taught the things we
know the internet is becoming academia.. if you want to divorce yourself from
academia you should unplug your internet cable







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> On Mar 12 2005, at 16:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> I think that it's more on a leash than anything...
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Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread Rod Stasick
On Mar 12 2005, at 16:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
am i wrong to say/think that fluxus is tied to academia?
I think that it's more on a leash than anything...



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Now playing: Resonance104.4FM
While looking at a house, my brother asked the real estate agent which 
direction was north because, he explained, he didn't want the sun 
waking him up every morning. She asked, "Does the sun rise in the 
north?"
 When another person jumped in and explained that the sun rises in the 
east (and has for some time), she shook her head and said, "Oh, I don't 
keep up with that stuff."
 And then she voted.
--Scott Adams




Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread ArtnAnts

In a message dated 3/12/05 3:33:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


take care of yourselves and give dope a try...

brian.



I think we just did---just kidding-sorry couldn't resist.


Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread brian
ties to the academic system, being?
what constitutes academia?
if there are those who have no ties to  academia  , does
  that disclude them from participating?
if  academia  means nonsense then i have to agree.
i have taken time off since the dissolving of the Fluxus related
 sites to reflect on what this list is for, why am i (or others)
 still attached to this list, and maybe why the  Ancients  never
 seemed to take interest in the whole shebang.
Chemical Brothers "Galvanize"
Barnes and Noble
myself having a less than illustriuous career in the  higher
  education system, i have learned some things:
   school is not all that it is cracked up to be.
   the majority of people i have talked to that have
   degrees in varying stages and types, all seem
   to think that they are above those that don't.
   the majority of people i have talked to that have
   degrees in varying stages and types, all seem
   to think that since they have a degree, they
   know more about EVERYTHING than those who
   don't.
(exceptions yes, but norm, no)
   as far as further academia goes, the more learned
  and mostly tenured folks have either washed them-
  selves clean of the  I know more than you  crap, or
  are noticeably apologetic towards their youth and
  silliness where they had such pretense and
  laughably pompous attitudes towards the  unlearned .
   just because someone does not hold a piece of paper in
their hand, does not mean that they are idiots.
(now you sill say,  I never thought that.   then why even
bring academics up?)
   i will bet that many people you admire have never been to
 school.  some, not even high school.
   present day art school students are not the revolutionaries,
   or the ones that move gears.  they operate in a well
   defined crib of  modernity  and affectation, subscribing
   to the business and taking their place in line with knife
   in tow, and Hollywood cheerfulness.  burying their
   heroes in their collectively produced shit, hoping that
   noone will notice.
(take a trip to Hope, Idaho...he would have knocked your silly
stylings to dirt.)
   as for myself, i can always go back to school and finish the
  30 credits or so left, but i have gained much more
  in not even relating to school, save for my best friend
  working on his doctorate in Archaeology.  the courses
  that i have taken that have meant the most were a Gypsy
  Language and Folklore course that at the time was the only
  one taught besides one at Sorbonne, a Parageogrpahy class
  that had us as a final project to create our own world, and
  and Introduction to the Internet in 93 (92?) that was the
  only one taught at all, in the days where Sun systems
  were the workhorses, and everything was telnet and ftp,
  with sites closing at midnight and opening in the morning.
   do i take pride in the above?  damn straight.  does that show
  the power of further schooling?  hell yeah.  but that was
  3 courses out of many.  the rest was learned by resistance
  and acceptance, going hungry and going bankrupt, making
  friends and inviting enemies.
("Go to the library to learn.  Go to school (college) to get laid")
there are some folks here that i love talking to and exchanging thoughts
 and ideas with, and some that i hold as heroes of mine and
 ones that i would love to collaborate with in depth.  i will be
 asking for the email/snail mail addresses of you all in the next
 few days, and i hope you respond.  that will be the end of my
 involvement with the list and with Fluxus as this list has seemingly
 defined it. 
there are others that i really don't care to deal with, or know
 what they are up to.  too much self-promotion and silly poems
 that clutter my box.
(Sticks and stones... for everyone)

the Fluxus elders may have not contributed to the list/movement if they
   indeed took a look at what is going on.  the name of this list
   should be  A Collective Take On What It Might Look Like To Publish
In Wonderland.
take care of yourselves and give dope a try...
brian.
 

  



Re: FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread Ann Klefstad
Well, me. I'm just out there unaffiliated.

AK

On 3/12/05 4:38 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> some questions:
> 
> where would fluxus be today with out academia?
> 
> am i wrong to say/think that fluxus is tied to academia?
> 
> how many people on list do you think have no ties to the academic system?
> 
> 
> -david
> 
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> 




FLUXLIST: fluxus and academia

2005-03-12 Thread colagiov
some questions:
where would fluxus be today with out academia?
am i wrong to say/think that fluxus is tied to academia?
how many people on list do you think have no ties to the academic system?
-david