FLUXLIST: Re: WifeSwap
The problem is, that there will always be this other wife in your household, that will probably freak out, cry the whole day etc. might make things more difficult. but it still is so tempting... especially to plaster the walls with pancakes...Am 05.01.2006 um 06:59 schrieb FLUXLIST-digest:Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:56:41 -0600 From: mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: RE: WifeSwap The whole thing seems kinda like Fluxus happening circa 1963, at it's most perverse. I've been trying to come up with all the possible subtle ways to infiltrate the shooting with our brand of culture jamming. Obvious things are to plaster all the walls with art, slogans, pancakes install sound sculptures, invite the weird friends over at inopportune times. But, quite truthfully I have severe reservations about the whole thing, even tho my partner my son are totally gungho. The show seems to be focused on psychological idealogical clashes tensions between people from very different backgrounds, which I really shy away from have little interest in. I'm trying to get to the point where I can have fun with it not be scared its gonna fuck up my life. It would be quite interest to hear other ideas about subverting this thing, especially from folks who have experience with mainstream media
Re: FLUXLIST: RE: WifeSwap
A trip through hell could be quite interesting. But still a trip through hell. They will want to make you an object of ridicule. I'm not sure if I would do it or not if asked, tho I think I would tell them to get lost. You could think of it as a battle against exploitation, which might be worth fighting, but it's a battle in which the odds are stacked against you. (They can do the editing.) Good luck. You've been tempted by Satan! John At 12:56 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: The whole thing seems kinda like Fluxus happening circa 1963, at it's most perverse. I've been trying to come up with all the possible subtle ways to infiltrate the shooting with our brand of culture jamming. Obvious things are to plaster all the walls with art, slogans, pancakes install sound sculptures, invite the weird friends over at inopportune times. But, quite truthfully I have severe reservations about the whole thing, even tho my partner my son are totally gungho. The show seems to be focused on psychological idealogical clashes tensions between people from very different backgrounds, which I really shy away from have little interest in. I'm trying to get to the point where I can have fun with it not be scared its gonna fuck up my life. It would be quite interest to hear other ideas about subverting this thing, especially from folks who have experience with mainstream media On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Allan Revich wrote: 1) it could be a lot of fun 2) It might be very Fluxus 3) If I were you, I'd be reluctant to do it. No matter what you want to get across, the producers will televise only what makes good TV. 4) On the other hand... if your flux is very powerful - who knows what might happen! Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:30 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Some things I did today I was contacted today by the casting producer of WIFESWAP, a reality TV show on ABC which takes the wife out of one house put's her in the family of someone quite opposite. This is potentially extreme Fluxus. The producer insists that its a good way to get your message out to 10 million people. Everybody in our circle says we should do it, but I'm still not convinced. 2006 is gonna be different, ~mIEKAL On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Penguins: 1) Amazing cinematography 2) Fun and interesting to watch 3) Made m very glad that I am not a penguin __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
mIEKAL, it reminds me of what happened a few years ago... A man died in the 911 attacks on the twin towers (a cop or fire fighter). His son (an extreme liberal) was asked to be on the Bill O'Reilly show ( a conservative talk show). So his son studied tapes of previous shows to figure out O'Rielly's strategy ... like the things he would say before cutting someone off and manipulating what they said and the way he delivered comments, as well as the amount of time he would let someone respond for. With all his studies he agreed to be on the show. He had worked out everything he would say and even timed how long it would take to say certain things. The show was a hit, O'reilly got all worked up and the son really upset him and took away his control until bill finally had to cut to a comercial and kick him out of the studio. The best part is that it was live and the son still got all of his liberal views out on the most conservative talk show on tv. study the show hard and you'll know what to do. the opportunity exists to do something extremely fun on national tv perhaps an opportunity not likely to fall into ones lap twice? -david colagiovanni http://www.thevideojournal.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
On Jan 5, 2006, at 11:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mIEKAL, it reminds me of what happened a few years ago... A man died in the 911 attacks on the twin towers (a cop or fire fighter). His son (an extreme liberal) was asked to be on the Bill O'Reilly show ( a conservative talk show). So his son studied tapes of previous shows to figure out O'Rielly's strategy ... like the things he would say before cutting someone off and manipulating what they said and the way he delivered comments, as well as the amount of time he would let someone respond for. With all his studies he agreed to be on the show. He had worked out everything he would say and even timed how long it would take to say certain things. The show was a hit, O'reilly got all worked up and the son really upset him and took away his control until bill finally had to cut to a comercial and kick him out of the studio. The best part is that it was live and the son still got all of his liberal views out on the most conservative talk show on tv. study the show hard and you'll know what to do. the opportunity exists to do something extremely fun on national tv perhaps an opportunity not likely to fall into ones lap twice? Yes, the Jeremy Glick interview which had such gems as this: O'Reilly: I don't want to debate world politics with you. Glick: Well, why not? This IS about world politics. O'Reilly: Because, number one, I don't care what you think. Later, after the interview was forced to a close, O'Reilly gave Glick some fatherly advice, Get out of my studio before I tear you to fucking pieces! The next evening O'Reilly spewed a mouthful of lies and distortions about Glick's intentions - the cowardly way - without Glick being present to defend himself. I hate to be the turd in David's punchbowl, but even after you get thru the rules of the contract (that I'm sure have been carefully assembled - they have had their fill of people trying to get attention), and succeed in doing something outrageous, your actions, ultimately, become an empty statement. Somewhat like what we say here in Texas: it's lipstick on a pig. I think mIEKAL needs to ask himself if he really wants to be well known for something he did on television. I think that's the crux of the whole idea. Rod --- Now playing: Eric Dolphy - God Bless the Child
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
Remember, though, the wifeswap show will not be broadcast live. On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mIEKAL, it reminds me of what happened a few years ago... A man died in the 911 attacks on the twin towers (a cop or fire fighter). His son (an extreme liberal) was asked to be on the Bill O'Reilly show ( a conservative talk show). So his son studied tapes of previous shows to figure out O'Rielly's strategy ... like the things he would say before cutting someone off and manipulating what they said and the way he delivered comments, as well as the amount of time he would let someone respond for. With all his studies he agreed to be on the show. He had worked out everything he would say and even timed how long it would take to say certain things. The show was a hit, O'reilly got all worked up and the son really upset him and took away his control until bill finally had to cut to a comercial and kick him out of the studio. The best part is that it was live and the son still got all of his liberal views out on the most conservative talk show on tv. study the show hard and you'll know what to do. the opportunity exists to do something extremely fun on national tv perhaps an opportunity not likely to fall into ones lap twice? -david colagiovanni http://www.thevideojournal.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
This IS what I've been thinking alot about. Would I rather be known by a small circle of fellow artists culture workers for things I put my heart in, or for something ludicrous which I have no stake in. Or put another way, if all I get is 15 minutes of fame, is this the 15 minutes I'd choose? I really appreciate the thoughts of Rod others, it quite confirms alot of my fears. C'est la vie. ~mIEKAL On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: I think mIEKAL needs to ask himself if he really wants to be well known for something he did on television.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
I think that's the crux of the whole idea. Rod --- Now playing: Eric Dolphy - God Bless the Child I think that's the crux of the whole idea. flux crux What a great team this fluxlist is--Yoda himself never got such good advice. If I ever make it anywhere important I'd beg for you all to be my councilseriously! mIEKAL The silly TV show could truly be a trip through hell as John suggests, which may or may not be willing to spit you back out. If you were to be a saint mIEKAL--I suppose you could slay the evil feasting all-destroyer! But how well prepared are you with either confidence or armaments. Can you own the moment ? . Wifeswap -- really a horrible name. How about: A few wips or Hubbyswitchin' personally I'd like to swap me wifey self with a penguin hny06 suse
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
How on earth did they come to contact you anyway? John Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net - Original Message - From: mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 4:28 pm Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap This IS what I've been thinking alot about. Would I rather be known by a small circle of fellow artists culture workers for things I put my heart in, or for something ludicrous which I have no stake in. Or put another way, if all I get is 15 minutes of fame, is this the 15 minutes I'd choose? I really appreciate the thoughts of Rod others, it quite confirms alot of my fears. C'est la vie. ~mIEKAL On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: I think mIEKAL needs to ask himself if he really wants to be well known for something he did on television.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
Apparently there most successful show was the biker the commune show, so the producer was surfing the net for eco-villages found Dreamtime Village, read thru our website liked what he saw (whatever that means...) ~mIEKAL On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:24 PM, JOHN BENNETT wrote: How on earth did they come to contact you anyway? John Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net - Original Message - From: mIEKAL aND [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 4:28 pm Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap This IS what I've been thinking alot about. Would I rather be known by a small circle of fellow artists culture workers for things I put my heart in, or for something ludicrous which I have no stake in. Or put another way, if all I get is 15 minutes of fame, is this the 15 minutes I'd choose? I really appreciate the thoughts of Rod others, it quite confirms alot of my fears. C'est la vie. ~mIEKAL On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Rod Stasick wrote: I think mIEKAL needs to ask himself if he really wants to be well known for something he did on television.
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
oh i just love eric dolphy. what i'm not hearing here is how does Mrs. mIEKAL feel about all this. i personally think it is disgusting as i saw one episode and the children of both couples were really upset. bests, carol xx NP: a love supreme/john coltrane Rod Stasick wrote: I think mIEKAL needs to ask himself if he really wants to be well known for something he did on television. I think that's the crux of the whole idea. Rod --- Now playing: Eric Dolphy - God Bless the Child
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: wifeswap
mrs mIEKAL, whose name is actually Camille, was a tv producer on national romanian tv in her last life, has produced reality tv shows herself. for her its a quite ironic twist of events to be on the other side of the camera. ~mIEKAL I love the dolphy the coltrane too On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:28 PM, Carol Starr wrote: oh i just love eric dolphy. what i'm not hearing here is how does Mrs. mIEKAL feel about all this. i personally think it is disgusting as i saw one episode and the children of both couples were really upset. bests, carol xx NP: a love supreme/john coltrane Rod Stasick wrote: I think mIEKAL needs to ask himself if he really wants to be well known for something he did on television. I think that's the crux of the whole idea. Rod --- Now playing: Eric Dolphy - God Bless the Child
FLUXLIST: RE: WifeSwap
1) it could be a lot of fun 2) It might be very Fluxus 3) If I were you, I'd be reluctant to do it. No matter what you want to get across, the producers will televise only what makes good TV. 4) On the other hand... if your flux is very powerful - who knows what might happen! Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:30 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Some things I did today I was contacted today by the casting producer of WIFESWAP, a reality TV show on ABC which takes the wife out of one house put's her in the family of someone quite opposite. This is potentially extreme Fluxus. The producer insists that its a good way to get your message out to 10 million people. Everybody in our circle says we should do it, but I'm still not convinced. 2006 is gonna be different, ~mIEKAL On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Penguins: 1) Amazing cinematography 2) Fun and interesting to watch 3) Made m very glad that I am not a penguin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Boyd Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:58 AM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Some things I did today Allan, What did you think of PENGUINS? My wife and I saw it and found it riveting. We bought the dvd. -Don http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/ check out my website for the latest images!
Re: FLUXLIST: RE: WifeSwap
The whole thing seems kinda like Fluxus happening circa 1963, at it's most perverse. I've been trying to come up with all the possible subtle ways to infiltrate the shooting with our brand of culture jamming. Obvious things are to plaster all the walls with art, slogans, pancakes install sound sculptures, invite the weird friends over at inopportune times. But, quite truthfully I have severe reservations about the whole thing, even tho my partner my son are totally gungho. The show seems to be focused on psychological idealogical clashes tensions between people from very different backgrounds, which I really shy away from have little interest in. I'm trying to get to the point where I can have fun with it not be scared its gonna fuck up my life. It would be quite interest to hear other ideas about subverting this thing, especially from folks who have experience with mainstream media On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Allan Revich wrote: 1) it could be a lot of fun 2) It might be very Fluxus 3) If I were you, I'd be reluctant to do it. No matter what you want to get across, the producers will televise only what makes good TV. 4) On the other hand... if your flux is very powerful - who knows what might happen! Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:30 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Some things I did today I was contacted today by the casting producer of WIFESWAP, a reality TV show on ABC which takes the wife out of one house put's her in the family of someone quite opposite. This is potentially extreme Fluxus. The producer insists that its a good way to get your message out to 10 million people. Everybody in our circle says we should do it, but I'm still not convinced. 2006 is gonna be different, ~mIEKAL On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Allan Revich wrote: Penguins: 1) Amazing cinematography 2) Fun and interesting to watch 3) Made m very glad that I am not a penguin
