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shore begins at the end of my garden. Yes Bretany is great. Corse is nice too ;-) U populu corsu.. Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ? To be honest, I have to confess that I'm not in the Finisterre, but in the very beginning of the Bretagne, in Saint Nazaire (where there is a huge U-Boots Blockhaus left by the german in WWII: maybe one of my favorite place I never saw this, but a lot of the coast is covered by WWII architecture, in the summer rented to poor people, rather cheap holyday houses. In the Institut Francais, it was called monstrous, well, another story, but I think I wrote allready about this at Plogoff etc.. Maybe surrealistic, Best, H. in France).
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- Message d'origine - De : Heiko Recktenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 15 septembre 2000 00:25 Objet : Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Isnt this by Swift ? Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO. You're absolutely right...I'd better sleep more, it's good for memory (and take my books out of the boxes that remain) Btw, I have the first french translation of TS ;-) Or the second, somewhere in the boxes.. I have it in a pocket edition :-)) More trivia, isnt bretany great ? ;-) right now ther's some kind of storm out there, and I can hee the waves on the sand. It's about 4 o'clock but, thanks to the lights of the town on the opposite side of the bay, I see the skiming sea in the dark through the windom of my room, just behind the screen of my P.C. I shall say that the shore begins at the end of my garden. Yes Bretany is great. Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ? To be honest, I have to confess that I'm not in the Finisterre, but in the very beginning of the Bretagne, in Saint Nazaire (where there is a huge U-Boots Blockhaus left by the german in WWII: maybe one of my favorite place in France).
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Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Its a great exemple how the sound of the village names can influence the feeling. Locmariaquer etc.. This is such a bizarre coincidence. I'm editing a book, a sort of memoir of an oysterman, which cites several times a work called "The Oysters of Locmariaquer". What's the chances of running across that name from 2 different sources in the same week? Uncanny! Unheimlich! Woop! Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ? There are all kinds of great names in the US as elsewhere. Ball Club and Sleepy Eye are fine little Minnesota burgs, par example. Fond du Lac, Lac qui Parle, Embarrass, some of the keen French verbal debris left behind in these woods. Place names , as a generator of , say, paintings . . . now there's an idea. AK
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sources in the same week? Uncanny! Unheimlich! Woop! We can stand this ;-) Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ? There are all kinds of great names in the US as elsewhere. Ball Club and Sleepy Eye are fine little Minnesota burgs, par example. Fond du Lac, Lac qui Parle, Embarrass, some of the keen French verbal debris left behind in these woods. Place names , as a generator of , say, paintings . . . now there's an idea. Yeah, same in Jersey, I remember. History, names made by people, spontaneous, eruptiv. But, as I allready tried to explain, Finis terrae, lands end (in Cornwall), this has something different. Much older, some mystique in it. Those frenchmen: in Plogoff, one of the most beautifull places in France, and I think the most western point, they wanted an atomic plant.. Maybe they wanted something to match the german wwII architecture there. Incredible, what they did at those rocks, submarin architecture.. Anyway, at lands end, there starts the sea. H.
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badgergirlwrites Top 5 books (as of today 13 Sept. 2000) And yours, pray tell? Still thinking about it Have begun book by Pynchon (whom I haven't read before) - V -Roger
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, meryl wrote: There's an area of Brooklyn, NY called Gravesend. Of course New Jersey is full of odd names like Nutley, Little Silver, and Leonia. Maybe ;-) In Bretany, the names arent just "strange", there are two or three keltish words, the quer in Locamariaquer etc, that are like runnings gags, and well, the kelts.. H.
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- Original Message - From: "meryl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:11 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy There's an area of Brooklyn, NY called Gravesend. Of course New Jersey is full of odd names like Nutley, Little Silver, and Leonia. -- From: Heiko Recktenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Thu, Sep 14, 2000, 6:25 PM Its a great exemple how the sound of the village names can influence the feeling. Locmariaquer etc.. Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ?
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Damn. I meant to say one of Finland's biggest banks was named Leonia some years ago and everyone has been wondering the name ever since. I found some hotkeys I hadn't been aware of, thus the previous message. Sorry about that. mn - Original Message - From: "mn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 5:27 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy - Original Message - From: "meryl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:11 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy There's an area of Brooklyn, NY called Gravesend. Of course New Jersey is full of odd names like Nutley, Little Silver, and Leonia. -- From: Heiko Recktenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Thu, Sep 14, 2000, 6:25 PM Its a great exemple how the sound of the village names can influence the feeling. Locmariaquer etc.. Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ?
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yes, it was-- On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, meryl wrote: Wasn't "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift? BadgerGirl I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food.
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Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. Isnt this by Swift ? Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO. You're absolutely right...I'd better sleep more, it's good for memory (and take my books out of the boxes that remain)
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Isnt this by Swift ? Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO. You're absolutely right...I'd better sleep more, it's good for memory (and take my books out of the boxes that remain) Btw, I have the first french translation of TS ;-) Or the second, somewhere in the boxes.. More trivia, isnt bretany great ? ;-) Its a great exemple how the sound of the village names can influence the feeling. Locmariaquer etc.. Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ?
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There's an area of Brooklyn, NY called Gravesend. Of course New Jersey is full of odd names like Nutley, Little Silver, and Leonia. -- From: Heiko Recktenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Thu, Sep 14, 2000, 6:25 PM Its a great exemple how the sound of the village names can influence the feeling. Locmariaquer etc.. Is there some place in the US, which is called like Lands End (in Cornwall) or Finisterre ?
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i never forget the chapter of ulysses called circe's episode this is the best antinationalist text i've ever read At 08:51 pm -0400 12/9/00, meryl wrote: Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. I don't believe that the nice boys and girls on this list haven't gotten past Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist in their explorations of Joyce (you have looked into JJ haven't you? Of course you have!). Certainly these are not "easy" books, but they're so very wonderful. If you don't feel up to the "big books" I would recommend Anthony Burgess' essays on JJ called ReJoyce. Soon I'll start carrying on about Pynchon Kiss Kiss Badgergirl Devon: got your packet and am sorting through it. more concrete info soon. -- From: veljeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 10:02 AM I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) I don'¨t even know anyone who has actually read Ulysses. But one of my big plans for the future is to translate Finnegan's Wake into Finnish. I already bought Webster's huge dictionary. I still lack a copy of the book itself. And no I haven't read it, not a single page. Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail. It's difficult. Strange phrases, strange words. And translations suck. mn
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the great great great English visual/sound poet/perfomer/publisher/essayist/historian Bob Cobbing in conversation said he thought the two greatest sound poetry texts of the 20th century are FINNEGAN'S WAKE and Jack Kerouac's OLD ANGEL MIDNIGHT (Bob's press Writers Forum published the first complete edition of OLD ANGEL--) --dbc
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I read those books from Sterne, the Journey, and of course Tristram Shandy, which I remind as a most delightful book, with amazing litterary and poetic inventions, and a remarkable sense of humor. Moreover, it is one of the first novel to play with the categories of the representation of time and space in litterature (as Voltaire did later in his Candide, but in much less brillant way): by the permanent exploration of all the enable means (and meanings) of the litterary creation, but also of the act of writing itself, Sterne blows up the frame of the fiction, the page as the format, the use of letters and words as unique ways of expression in litterature, and the classic construction of the novel. To me, there is a before and an after Tristram Shandy in the litterature history. I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. I've never read Finnegan's Wake, but Dubliners, Self Portrait and Ulysses remain as some of my best moments as reader -even if I didn't read them twice- which I can only compare to the pleasure I felt by reading Jarry, Lautréamont, Proust, Rabelais, Sade and some others amongst who I like to live, like Mallarmé, Jean Pierre Brisset, or Raymond Roussel. I kept a long silent those last weeks, because I was moving to the west of France, in Bretagne, and also because my first baby is born the 23 rd of august, and this has (and is still) occupied me a LOT. THat's why I needed some time to read all the 560 mails I had received from the list. So I've learned only recently the departure of Ken Friedmann. I'm sad of this new, and I think that it means a no return point: with the quiting of Ken, Fluxlist might have lost the remaining Flux of its name, after the death of Dick Higgins. One may think that Eric Andersen is still here to keep the original fluxus spirit present in the list (bad taste, bad jokes, bad faith, megalomania and paranoia), one can also think that Ken's unsubscribing is of no matter, as far as this list is no more interesting in basically working on Fluxus. I don't think Ken left because of the poor and recurrent paranoic attacks of Andersen and Tamas, but because of the poor interest for Fluxus we demonstrated. And this is why I dont think of this list -which I liked a lot- as the Fluxlist anymore. Bertrand - Message d'origine - De : Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 13 septembre 2000 15:38 Objet : Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Badgergirl writes Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. Wow! Every word of Finnegan's Wake? On every page? You didn't skip bits? If this is true then I am very impressed. I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. So - what are your top 5 books? XXX Roger
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Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. Isnt this by Swift ? Who is much faster and much more readable IMHO.
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Wasn't "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift? BadgerGirl I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food.
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"narvis ...pez" wrote: i never forget the chapter of ulysses called circe's episode this is the best antinationalist text i've ever read At 08:51 pm -0400 12/9/00, meryl wrote: Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. I don't believe that the nice boys and girls on this list haven't gotten past Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist in their explorations of Joyce I also have read Ulysses many times, it's very far from boring, a lovely heap of words, cunningly made. Various parts have been my favorite at different times, for some reason now bits from Nighttown keep recurring to me. Finnegans is something that's harder to read straight through, but it's not really made for that. It's a text for arrogant readers, people who can manage not to obey the rules of order, who can cut and reverse and drop out and choose bit after piece after bit. It was written, after all, by such a one. A text for use. AK
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Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ wrote: I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food. That's actually not Sterne, that's Swift, an Irish writer of more razorlike edge, only like Sterne in his occasional rueful amusement. Mostly he was enraged, though, not like Sterne at all. I remember how funny I thought his "Ode to Celia" or somesuch was when I was a kid. Wonderful to have female embodiedness (in all its forms) acknowledged. "Modest Proposal" is wonderful controlled rage. AK
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A ps of sorts--after the post re that dear man Lawrence Sterne. Now, Thomas Bernhard bores me to tears. All that selfawareness. It's like aquiring a taste for your own teeth. AK Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Laurence Sterne.. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote: I read bits of this at school many, many, many years ago I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail.
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What!! What? What?! Boring? Obviously badly translated -- mucho joy in the language is part of the Sterne experience. I've read it several times and never been bored. And also his travel journal thing, is lovely, an open-eyed person is never out of date. AK Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Laurence Sterne.. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote: I read bits of this at school many, many, many years ago I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail.
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Many thanks to those who answered my query a bit back as to what book was being referred to have never read TRISTRAM SHANDY but know many regard it as one of mighty precursors of modernist/postmodenrist work in literature one of those books one intends to read but then the road to hell is as they say paved with good intentions! in which case am well on my way! --dbc
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personally i find what Heiko wrote very beautiful: "So slow. How he traveled. So much detail." though there's a good clue there: the slowness makes for the attention with "so much detail" just as conversely the speed of attention, which is condensed into the short phrases, "covering so much ground" so to speak: "So slow. How he traveled. So much detail" --dave baptiste On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, ann klefstad wrote: A ps of sorts--after the post re that dear man Lawrence Sterne. Now, Thomas Bernhard bores me to tears. All that selfawareness. It's like aquiring a taste for your own teeth. AK Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Laurence Sterne.. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote: I read bits of this at school many, many, many years ago I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail.
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Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact I've read Ulysses several times, it's one of my top 5 favorite books. I don't believe that the nice boys and girls on this list haven't gotten past Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist in their explorations of Joyce (you have looked into JJ haven't you? Of course you have!). Certainly these are not "easy" books, but they're so very wonderful. If you don't feel up to the "big books" I would recommend Anthony Burgess' essays on JJ called ReJoyce. Soon I'll start carrying on about Pynchon Kiss Kiss Badgergirl Devon: got your packet and am sorting through it. more concrete info soon. -- From: veljeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Tristram Shandy Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 10:02 AM I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) I don'¨t even know anyone who has actually read Ulysses. But one of my big plans for the future is to translate Finnegan's Wake into Finnish. I already bought Webster's huge dictionary. I still lack a copy of the book itself. And no I haven't read it, not a single page. Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail. It's difficult. Strange phrases, strange words. And translations suck. mn
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I read bits of this at school many, many, many years ago I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) but an influence to me no doubt and I'd recommend you search a copy out oh yes
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Laurence Sterne.. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote: I read bits of this at school many, many, many years ago I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail.
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I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) I don'¨t even know anyone who has actually read Ulysses. But one of my big plans for the future is to translate Finnegan's Wake into Finnish. I already bought Webster's huge dictionary. I still lack a copy of the book itself. And no I haven't read it, not a single page. Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail. It's difficult. Strange phrases, strange words. And translations suck. mn
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Installed a gallery show that Baldesarri did in the late 80's based on this work http://www.arionpress.com/catalog/026.htm Lotsa dots PK Heiko Recktenwald wrote: Laurence Sterne.. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote: I read bits of this at school many, many, many years ago I don't think I've ever met anyone who has read the whole thing through (bit like Finnegan's Wake) Hmmm...anyway, its extremly boring read today. So slow. How he travelled. So much detail.
