On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote:
... also, the idea of modelling change ITSELF is an appealing one in this
context, and all changes including data entry etc being simply represented
as a log of mutations using the command pattern. Thus the data
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:02 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote:
but, what would be the gain?... the major issue with most possible graphical
representations, is that they are far less compact. hence, the common use of
graphical presentations to represent a small amount in information in a
By parsing limits I mean the fact that the language grammar usually
has to be more verbose than is required by a human to resolve
ambiguity and other issues. This is mainly a problem if you start
thinking of how to mix languages. To integrates say Java, SQL and
regular expressions in one
I had some thoughts about how to approach the issue. I was thinking that
you could represent the language in a more semanticaly rich form such as a
RAG stored in a graph database. Then languages would be composed by
declaring lenses between them.
As long as there is a lens to a editor dsl
Thanks for the pointer. I'll have a look.
BR,
John
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Den 14 jun 2011 17:17 skrev Tristan Slominski tristan.slomin...@gmail.com
:
I had some thoughts about how to approach the issue. I was thinking that
you could represent the language in a more semanticaly rich form such as
a
On 15/06/2011, at 1:14 AM, Tristan Slominski wrote:
Just for completeness, the lenses you describe here remind me of OMeta's
foreign rule invocation:
Yeah, I think there is a fair amount of deep digestion required to fully grok
these ideas, personally. Haha that sounds disturbing. :)
Karl,
Here is one proposed to be buildt in
Squeak http://www.computer.org/comp/proceedings/c5/2003/1975/00/19750120.pdf
Thanks for the link! It looks nice. I am currently helping out with an
undergraduate course on computer architecture and adopted the WinMIPS64
simulator. A more flexible
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Tristan Slominski
tristan.slomin...@gmail.com wrote:
Just for completeness, the lenses you describe here remind me of OMeta's
foreign rule invocation:
from http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008003_experimenting.pdf
see 2.3.4 Foreign Rule Invocation p. 27 of paper, p.
Hi,
John Nilsson j...@milsson.nu writes:
So my fix is to make the separation a hidden thing, which means the
program needs to be represented in something that allows such hidden
things (and I don't think Unicode control characters is the way to go
here).
Why not crib a hack from JavaDoc and
On 6/13/2011 8:09 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
On 14/06/2011, at 7:33 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Kids may not have the linguistic development out of the way that one needs to do
serious programming. Adults who don't already code may find themselves short
on some of the core concepts that
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je...@merlintec.comwrote:
Karl,
Here is one proposed to be buildt in Squeak
http://www.computer.org/comp/proceedings/c5/2003/1975/00/19750120.pdf
Thanks for the link! It looks nice. I am currently helping out with an
undergraduate
On 2011-06-14, at 12:33 PM, BGB wrote:
much younger, and it is doubtful people can do much of anything useful.
can you teach programming to a kindergartner?...
maybe not such a good idea, so, it is an issue for what a good lower-limit is
for where to try.
My kids learned to program around
On both questions the answer is basically that Java was an example. I was
looking for a general solution. Something that would work withoug prior
assumptions about the languages involved.
The problem I was thinking about was how to provide an infrastructure where
in anyone could be a language
I wonder if a thousand years ago the readers of the world thought that only
certain people had an aptitude for reading.
=
As a professional coder and father of young children I find Dethe's anecdote
of teaching his children to code/program at an early age has me thinking I
need to take
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
For example, take a look at Alex Warth's Worlds work (and paper) and see
how that might be used to deal with larger problems of consistency and
version control in a live system.
I just read this paper for the first time.
(As a minor technical note: it appears that the implementation of
flattenHistory in figure 4 occurs in the wrong order. Worlds should
be committed from the root to the leaves, shouldn't they?)
--scott
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:04:20PM -0700, BGB wrote:
On 6/14/2011 12:14 PM, Michael FIG wrote:
Hi,
John Nilssonj...@milsson.nu writes:
So my fix is to make the separation a hidden thing, which means the
program needs to be represented in something that allows such hidden
things (and I
Let say I want this then:
public int totalAmmount()
{
return SELECT SUM(ammount) FROM Invoices WHERE invoiceNo =
Invoice.currentId();
}
That is now there is Java nested inside the SQL. When I ask the IDE to
list all references to Invoice.currentId(), this instance should also
be included.
Thank you for the links, Scott!
At Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:42:17 -0400,
C. Scott Ananian wrote:
(As a minor technical note: it appears that the implementation of
flattenHistory in figure 4 occurs in the wrong order. Worlds should
be committed from the root to the leaves, shouldn't they?)
On 6/14/2011 4:24 PM, John Nilsson wrote:
Yes. And now add to that semantic editing support for such extensions
automatically inherited. Things like syntax highlighting,
intellisense, find references. Also interoperabilty with libs/modules
in other languages is important.
BR,
John
Thanks for the explanation. I think I was confused originally because
your API is:
in world {
...
}
world.commit()
where I was expecting:
in world {
world.commit()
}
ie, in your API, even though the API occurs in the root context, it
doesn't (usually)
On 15/06/2011, at 9:00 AM, Kevin Driedger wrote:
I wonder if a thousand years ago the readers of the world thought that only
certain people had an aptitude for reading.
=
As a professional coder and father of young children I find Dethe's anecdote
of teaching his children to
On 2011-06-14, at 9:36 PM, Julian Leviston wrote:
The thing that irritates me about this attitude of don't consider kids as
equal is that we DO consider them as equal in other frames... we expect so
much of them in terms of linguistic and cognitive development... and actually
the
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