Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-09 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Thursday 09 Feb 2012 9:34:16 PM Loup Vaillant wrote: > K. K. Subramaniam wrote: > > Has anyone looked at Beaglebone - affordable, hacker-friendly ARM board? > > This? http://beagleboard.org/bone Yes. Youtube has a bunch of videos on this board. The basic dev kit runs Android but I thought it

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-09 Thread Loup Vaillant
K. K. Subramaniam wrote: Has anyone looked at Beaglebone - affordable, hacker-friendly ARM board? This? http://beagleboard.org/bone ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-09 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Thursday 09 Feb 2012 3:34:16 AM Tony Garnock-Jones wrote: > On 8 February 2012 10:37, Reuben Thomas wrote: > > You can't drive it directly because its specs aren't public. If you > > use its closed-source Linux driver, you can of course use OpenGL. > > The list might be interested in recent de

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Tony Garnock-Jones
On 8 February 2012 10:37, Reuben Thomas wrote: > You can't drive it directly because its specs aren't public. If you > use its closed-source Linux driver, you can of course use OpenGL. > Uh, and I should also point out the promising work on an open-source GPU driver: "... an open-source, reverse

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Tony Garnock-Jones
On 8 February 2012 10:37, Reuben Thomas wrote: > You can't drive it directly because its specs aren't public. If you > use its closed-source Linux driver, you can of course use OpenGL. > The list might be interested in recent developments on another mailing list I follow, http://lists.phcomp.co.

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Alan Kay
60s as POLs -- for Problem Oriented Languages) is why we took this approach. Cheers, Alan > > From: Loup Vaillant >To: fonc@vpri.org >Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 9:24 AM >Subject: Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi > >Alan Kay wrote: >&g

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Loup Vaillant
Alan Kay wrote: Hi Loup Actually, your last guess was how we thought most of the optimizations would be done (as separate code "guarded" by the meanings). […] > In practice, the optimizations we did do are done in the translation > chain and in the run-time, […] Okay, thanks. I can't recal

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
Alan, > Hi Loup > Actually, your last guess was how we thought most of the optimizations would > be done (as separate code "guarded" by the meanings). For example, one idea > was that Cairo could be the optimizations of the "graphics meanings code" we > would come up with. But Dan Amelang did such

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 7:50:34 AM Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: > That is a very good point, but the reason why I have tried to design my > computers with 100% removable media is so they can be shared in a > classroom. Even at $35 a class might not have one per student. If you > have 10 machines and

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 8 February 2012 15:23, Alan Kay wrote: > Hi Loup > > Why can't a Nile backend for the GPU board be written? Did I miss something? You can't drive it directly because its specs aren't public. If you use its closed-source Linux driver, you can of course use OpenGL. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org _

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Alan Kay
lan > > From: Loup Vaillant >To: fonc@vpri.org >Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:29 AM >Subject: Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi > >Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: >> Alan Kay wrote: >>> We have done very little of this so far, and very fe

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-08 Thread Loup Vaillant
Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: Alan Kay wrote: We have done very little of this so far, and very few optimizations. We can give live dynamic demos in part because Dan Amelang's Nile graphics system turned out to be more efficient than we thought with very few optimizations. Here is were the binary

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
Alan Kay wrote: > In the "difference between research and engineering department" I > think I would first port a version of Smalltalk to this system. The Squeak VM used in the new OLPC machine should work just fine on this board on top of one of the Linuxes that have already been tested on it. It

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner
Am 07.02.2012 19:54, schrieb Reuben Thomas: > On 7 February 2012 18:51, Hans-Martin Mosner wrote: >> Apart from that, I too think that the Raspberry Pi will be a nice platform >> for experimentation and learning, especially >> since the complete operating system and all other software is on >> e

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 7 February 2012 18:51, Hans-Martin Mosner wrote: > > Apart from that, I too think that the Raspberry Pi will be a nice platform > for experimentation and learning, especially > since the complete operating system and all other software is on exchangeable > compact flash storage, which could m

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner
Am 07.02.2012 18:19, schrieb Alan Kay: > Hi Jecel > > In the "difference between research and engineering department" I think I > would first port a version of Smalltalk to this system. Squeak and Scratch already run on it, can be loaded from the debian repositories. The VM is not Cog, but maybe

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Alan Kay
;To: Fundamentals of New Computing >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 9:42 AM >Subject: Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi > >Reuben Thomas wrote: >> On 7 February 2012 11:34, Ryan Mitchley wrote: >> > >> > I think the limited capabilities would be a great visceral demonstra

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 7 February 2012 11:34, Ryan Mitchley wrote: > > > > I think the limited capabilities would be a great visceral demonstration of > > the efficiencies learned during the FONC research. > > > > I was thinking in terms of replacing the GNU software, using it as a cheap > > har

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 7 February 2012 11:34, Ryan Mitchley wrote: > > I think the limited capabilities would be a great visceral demonstration of > the efficiencies learned during the FONC research. > > I was thinking in terms of replacing the GNU software, using it as a cheap > hardware target... some FONC-based sy

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Ryan Mitchley
On 07/02/2012 13:14, Reuben Thomas wrote: No worse or better than any other system; the point is precisely that it's a pretty standard Linux system (if rather low-powered). Why do you think specifically it's a good target? I think the limited capabilities would be a great visceral demonstratio

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Alexis Read
It's a little more useful than a normal Linux system. It's small, low power ie. Battery/solar operable, a standardised platform and has accessable gpio. As such it's a fixed target driver-wise, and you can interface Frank with the outside world easily eg. UAV design - LOGO turtle on steroids. Lastl

Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 7 February 2012 10:58, Ryan Mitchley wrote: > This may not be news to list subscribers, but wouldn't the Raspberry Pi make > a great target for Frank etc. ? -> > http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs No worse or better than any other system; the point is precisely that it's a pretty standard Linux s

[fonc] Raspberry Pi

2012-02-07 Thread Ryan Mitchley
This may not be news to list subscribers, but wouldn't the Raspberry Pi make a great target for Frank etc. ? -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs The Model A / B naming brings up memories of my own childhood computing introduction on the BBC Model B (along with Logo and turtles, speech synthesiz