Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-11 Thread Craig Latta
Scratch already has higher ceiling forks: Build Your Own Blocks and Panther. http://byob.berkeley.edu/ http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs10 http://pantherprogramming.weebly.com/ Alright! Go Brian Harvey! :) -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 06 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-10 Thread David Corking
John Zabroski wrote: My understanding* is that Mitch does not want to see Scratch forked Scratch already has higher ceiling forks: Build Your Own Blocks and Panther. http://byob.berkeley.edu/ http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs10 http://pantherprogramming.weebly.com/ (It seems to me that any

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-09 Thread John Zabroski
My understanding* is that Mitch does not want to see Scratch forked and that any MIT students who write Scratch plug-ins are free to do so within the Media Lab walled garden, so that they have code written by great programmers to look at and build off of but ultimately it is just a factory for

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-08 Thread Alan Kay
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 10:49:41 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I've many books on visual programming. I'll make a list soon of what I have. I am mostly blown away by how difficult it is to ramp-up

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-08 Thread Julian Leviston
, Alan From: John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 10:49:41 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I've many books on visual programming. I'll make a list soon of what I have. I

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-08 Thread Diego Gomez Deck
-- *From:* John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Wed, April 6, 2011 10:49:41 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I've many books on visual programming. I'll make a list

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-08 Thread John Zabroski
On 4/8/11, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote: I quite like what Apple's Numbers does with spreadsheets... something as simple as naming sheets and having multiple variable-sized sheets on the one page (they call them tables) means you can address cells by name and things become kinda

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-08 Thread Alan Kay
: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I quite like what Apple's Numbers does with spreadsheets... something as simple as naming sheets and having multiple variable-sized sheets on the one page (they call them tables) means you can address cells by name and things

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-08 Thread Devon Sparks
I like to second Alan's recommendation to explore SK8. SK8 is by far one of my favorite authoring environments, and has served as a critical point in the evolution of my thinking about Dynabook-like platforms. Imagine you start with Hypercard, rebuild its foundation in Lisp (MCL) and ensure

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-06 Thread John Zabroski
I've many books on visual programming. I'll make a list soon of what I have. I am mostly blown away by how difficult it is to ramp-up knowledge about this domain. Even typing in the phrase into Amazon requires sifting through pages of search results and wondering what applies. As for

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-04-06 Thread John Zabroski
RE: brooklyn union gas conjecture Sometimes diagrams are more compact than symbols alone. Both are only as expressive as their inferencing powers! See Etchemandy and Barwise's seminal paper on vvisual reasoning and diagrammatic inference - they rebuke Tennant's position that diagrams can only be

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-31 Thread David Corking
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011, John Zabroski wrote: I am trying to round up all visual programming kit research written by you Does your definition of visual programming include graphical programming (by children)? If so, I imagine you might want to include: Self Tweak TileScript (All had participation

[fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread John Zabroski
I am trying to round up all visual programming kit research written by you folks, so that I can then compile a biography that I can read in one sitting. So far I have: CIA Agent Playground Squeak Skeleton Fabrik What else should I include? Thanks, Z-Bo

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Alan Kay
johnzabro...@gmail.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:09:29 AM Subject: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I am trying to round up all visual programming kit research written by you folks, so that I can then compile a biography

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Duncan Mak
Hello Alan, On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: At Apple, besides Fabrik and Playground (several versions), there was MacPal and Constructo There was (unimplemented) the hopping curriculum which used a visual syntax Tableau was yet another before-after

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread John Nilsson
I think Subetextual[1] deserves a mention. [1] http://www.subtextual.org/ BR, John On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to round up all visual programming kit research written by you folks, so that I can then compile a biography that I can

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Alan Kay
] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I think Subetextual[1] deserves a mention. [1] http://www.subtextual.org/ BR, John On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to round up all visual programming kit research written by you

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Alan Kay
and quite pretty in a dynamic language. Cheers, Alan From: Duncan Mak duncan...@gmail.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Cc: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 9:46:20 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Kim Rose
Hi, John - CIA Agent does not sound familiar --you may have incorrect attribution of this system. Also, Squeak Etoys is the correct name. - Kim Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to improving powerful ideas education for the world's children and

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Alan Kay
I think he means The Analyst that was done at Xerox PARC and XEOS for the CIA Cheers, Alan From: Kim Rose kim.r...@vpri.org To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 3:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created

Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff

2011-03-30 Thread Julian Leviston
, March 30, 2011 10:10:32 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created by present/former VPRI staff I think Subetextual[1] deserves a mention. [1] http://www.subtextual.org/ BR, John On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to round