Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Frederick Grose
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Sure, and much earlier too ... perhaps goes all the way back to Licklider's > 1963 memo about "The Intergalactic Network", where he not only meant "big", > but "(inter) communicating with aliens" (in this case alien code). > We've reserved a re

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Cornelius Toole
Thanks for the pointers, Alan. The LOCUS stuff looks interesting. WRT to the web browser as OS not application, you'd think Google would've pushed ChromeOS further in that direction. I will say that modern browsers consume memory like they're full-blown OSes(Chrome is using about 922MB of memory

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Alan Kay
Sure, and much earlier too ... perhaps goes all the way back to Licklider's 1963 memo about "The Intergalactic Network", where he not only meant "big", but "(inter) communicating with aliens" (in this case alien code). Once you have a network of heterogeneous machines, one POV leads to the idea

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread David Harris
Didn't this debate happen with windowing systems (eg X vs NeWS, dumb vs smart windows-server). David On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > Hi Cornelius > > There are lots of egregiously wrong things in the web design. Perhaps one > of the simplest is that the browser folks have

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Cornelius There are lots of egregiously wrong things in the web design. Perhaps one of the simplest is that the browser folks have lacked the perspective to see that the browser is not like an application, but like an OS. i.e. what it really needs to do is to take in and run foreign code (

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Cornelius Toole
Thanks Merik, I've read/watch the OOPSLA'97 keynote before, but hadn't seen the first video. I'm having problems with the first one(the talk at UIUC). Has anyone been able to watch past the first hour. I get up to the point where Alex speaks and it freezes. I've just recently read Roy Fielding's