Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Alan Kay
What the one-celled microbes said before the Cambrian ... From: karl ramberg To: Fundamentals of New Computing Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 11:31:11 AM Subject: [fonc] Last programming language Hi Here is a interesting video about programming languages http://s

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread BGB
On 7/17/2011 5:18 PM, Karl Robillard wrote: Heh... that talk didn't recieve a very warm welcome over at Lambda the Ultimate either. My favorite comment was the idea that AI could advance to the point where the final programming language may end up being English. I guess that means programmers i

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Karl Robillard
Heh... that talk didn't recieve a very warm welcome over at Lambda the Ultimate either. My favorite comment was the idea that AI could advance to the point where the final programming language may end up being English. I guess that means programmers in the future will be politicians? :) Anyth

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread BGB
On 7/17/2011 3:39 PM, Derek Kulinski wrote: Hello BGB, Sunday, July 17, 2011, 2:51:40 PM, you wrote: for example, if/while/for/... don't mean goto shouldn't exist in a language or should be branded as "evil" as a result, rather they provide better alternatives such that things like goto are mo

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Derek Kulinski
Hello BGB, Sunday, July 17, 2011, 2:51:40 PM, you wrote: > for example, if/while/for/... don't mean goto shouldn't exist in a > language or should be branded as "evil" as a result, rather they provide > better alternatives such that things like goto are more of a "break > glass in case of emerg

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Craig Latta
> > That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it > > with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's > > how he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing > > Pi for no good reason... > > if memorizing pie is a measure of programmer status

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Wesley Smith
> Constraints that very important for most creativity. But one must pick > constraints that make sense. > His points about that there are few new paradigm shifts in the > programming language worlds seems valid though. > What would such a paradigm shift and how does it look. > Are there any clues t

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread BGB
On 7/17/2011 2:46 PM, David Leibs wrote: I couldn't handle his condescending attitude towards goto statements. I might not use them very often but when you need one there is nothing better. generally agreed... it is not for no reason that languages like C# still have them, despite being desig

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread karl ramberg
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Craig Latta wrote: > > That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it > with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how > he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for > no good reason... C

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread BGB
On 7/17/2011 2:33 PM, Craig Latta wrote: That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for no good reason... if memorizing pie is

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread David Leibs
I couldn't handle his condescending attitude towards goto statements. I might not use them very often but when you need one there is nothing better. -David Leibs On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Craig Latta wrote: > > That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it > with a d

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Bob Arning
I gave him 15 minutes and bailed. Interesting what people are willing to sit through. Cheers, Bob On 7/17/11 2:31 PM, karl ramberg wrote: Hi Here is a interesting video about programming languages http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language Karl ___

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread BGB
On 7/17/2011 11:31 AM, karl ramberg wrote: Hi Here is a interesting video about programming languages http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language Karl some of this is why my own BGBScript language has a C-family syntax (well, yes, it is closer to ActionScript, but in a

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread Craig Latta
That talk would have been a whole lot better if he had grounded it with a discussion of how constraints are good for creativity. It's how he should have spent the time where he went on about memorizing Pi for no good reason... -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 6 2757 7177 + 1 4

Re: [fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread David Barbour
The video sparked some interesting discussion at LtU. http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4312 Bob Martin's argument is not credible, though. He cherry-picks his example languages, and the attributes from those languages. He ignores the troubles with concurrency, and the future needs for pervasiv

[fonc] Last programming language

2011-07-17 Thread karl ramberg
Hi Here is a interesting video about programming languages http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/agile-testing/bobs-last-language Karl ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc