Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread David Barbour
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:25 AM, John McKeon wrote: > The other model has the sun pumping out its messages "into the ether" > to which all objects may (or may not) respond. Much better scaling. Sounds like you want a publish/subscribe model. Anyhow, this and your B12 analogy made me think about

Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread BGB
On 8/20/2011 9:25 AM, John McKeon wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Julian Leviston > wrote: On 21/08/2011, at 12:22 AM, John McKeon wrote: On Saturday, August 20, 2011, Alan Kay mailto:alan.n...@yahoo.com>> wrote: > (For example) > Try

Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread GrrrWaaa
"medium" ? (McLuhan notwithstanding...) On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:22 AM, John McKeon wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2011, Alan Kay wrote: > > (For example) > > Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never > > explicitly send them. > > This is one example of what

Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread John McKeon
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Julian Leviston wrote: > > On 21/08/2011, at 12:22 AM, John McKeon wrote: > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2011, Alan Kay wrote: > > (For example) > > Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never > explicitly send them. > > This is one e

Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread Julian Leviston
On 21/08/2011, at 12:22 AM, John McKeon wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2011, Alan Kay wrote: > > (For example) > > Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never > > explicitly send them. > > This is one example of what I meant when I requested that computer peo

Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread David Leibs
He is a stranger to me, but he is a most remarkable man — and I am the other one. Between us, we cover all knowledge; he knows all that can be known, and I know the rest. --Statement (1906) in Mark Twain in Eruption: Hitherto Unpublished Pages About Men and Events (1940) edited by Bernard DeVo

Re: [fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread John McKeon
On Saturday, August 20, 2011, Alan Kay wrote: > (For example) > Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never explicitly send them. > This is one example of what I meant when I requested that computer people pay more attention to what is in between the parts, than to the

[fonc] Messages

2011-08-20 Thread Alan Kay
(For example) Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never explicitly send them. This is one example of what I meant when I requested that computer people pay more attention to what is in between the parts, than to the parts -- the Japanese have a great short word fo

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-20 Thread David Barbour
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:41 AM, BGB wrote: > either, it is a reference to a method call, having no obvious differences, > or it is referring to something different, and the "issues" with this other > thing are not an issue in the context of a method call. You present a false dichotomy. The 'issu

Re: [fonc] OOP

2011-08-20 Thread BGB
On 8/19/2011 10:28 PM, David Barbour wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:24 PM, BGB wrote: if a message is equivalent to a method call, then it is equivalent to a method call... Yes. But it's hard to make a point with a circular argument. keep in mind that this statement has one of multiple po