Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 08:27:53PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > you might want to google "biological computing" - you'll start finding > things like this: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/jul/24/bacteria-computer > (title: "Bacteria make computers look like pocket calculators")

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2013-01-03 Thread BGB
On 1/3/2013 7:27 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: BGB wrote: Whoa, I think you just invented "nanotech organelles", at least this is the first time I've heard that idea and it seems pretty mind-blowing. What would a cell use a cpu for? mostly so that microbes could be programmed in a manner more li

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-03 Thread Miles Fidelman
BGB wrote: Whoa, I think you just invented "nanotech organelles", at least this is the first time I've heard that idea and it seems pretty mind-blowing. What would a cell use a cpu for? mostly so that microbes could be programmed in a manner more like larger-scale computers. say, the micro

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-03 Thread BGB
On 1/3/2013 2:25 AM, Simon Forman wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:35 PM, BGB wrote: On 1/2/2013 10:31 PM, Simon Forman wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose pernicious snares need to be handled better. I

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-03 Thread Alan Kay
Alan > > From: David Barbour >To: Alan Kay ; Fundamentals of New Computing > >Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:09 PM >Subject: Re: [fonc] Current topics > > >On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > >As humans, w

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2013-01-03 Thread Simon Forman
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:35 PM, BGB wrote: > On 1/2/2013 10:31 PM, Simon Forman wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: >>> >>> The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose >>> pernicious snares need to be handled better. >>> >>> In an analogy to sen

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-02 Thread David Barbour
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > As humans, we are used to being sloppy about message creation and sending, > and rely on negotiation and good will after the fact to deal with errors. > You might be interested in my article on avoiding commitment in HCI, and its impact on progra

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2013-01-02 Thread BGB
On 1/2/2013 10:31 PM, Simon Forman wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose pernicious snares need to be handled better. In an analogy to sending messages "most of the time successfully" through noisy channels

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-02 Thread Simon Forman
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose > pernicious snares need to be handled better. > > In an analogy to sending messages "most of the time successfully" through > noisy channels -- where the noise also affects what

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2013-01-01 Thread John Nilsson
rably larger than any > individual's single effort. > > Paul. > > -- > * From: * Alan Kay ; > * To: * Fundamentals of New Computing ; > * Subject: * [fonc] Current topics > * Sent: * Tue, Jan 1, 2013 3:53:25 PM > > The most recent disc

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2013-01-01 Thread Casey Ransberger
Inline. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose > pernicious snares need to be handled better. > > In an analogy to sending messages "most of the time successfully" through > noisy channels -- where the noise also af

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2013-01-01 Thread Casey Ransberger
Hah, wrong button. Sorry all! Meant to hit forward, as I really enjoyed this one and wanted to share it:) On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Casey Ransberger wrote: > Read this guy! > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > >> The most recent discussions get at a number of important iss

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-01 Thread Casey Ransberger
Read this guy! On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose > pernicious snares need to be handled better. > > In an analogy to sending messages "most of the time successfully" through > noisy channels -- where the noise

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2013-01-01 Thread Paul Homer
My thinking has been going the other way for some time now. I see the problem as the need to build bigger systems than any individual can currently imagine. The real value from computers isn't just collecting the input from a single person, but rather 'combining' the inputs from huge groups of p

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2013-01-01 Thread Alan Kay
The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose pernicious snares need to be handled better. In an analogy to sending messages "most of the time successfully" through noisy channels -- where the noise also affects whatever we add to the messages to help (and we may have im