Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Gilman
No, I do not accept this. I do not think it is in the project's best interests, I do not think it is in computer science's best interests, and I do not think it is in the public interest. That is why I am banging on the door (nice phrase) and trying to persuade them otherwise. (Note: not

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 20 December 2010 13:42, Brian Gilman brian.gil...@gmail.com wrote: Just because you believe that Release early, release often is the best release strategy, doesn't mean that everyone at VPRI does. I really don't understand comments like this. Fairly obviously I know that not everyone at

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Julian Leviston
On 21/12/2010, at 2:01 AM, Reuben Thomas wrote: They don't have to answer any questions, or indeed demands. (Pardon me if I err, but I've noticed no active participant from VPRI in this thread, quite possibly because, as I admit, I've made the same point before, rather more gently, which is

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
2010/12/20 Murat Girgin gir...@gmail.com: Perhaps someone from VPRI should comment and explain their reasons of not releasing much, and certainly not often. They did comment last time I raised the same question, so you can check the archives. If they are of the same mind now, there's little

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-20 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 20 December 2010 22:38, Ross Kendle ross.ken...@gmail.com wrote: I value the opportunity to engage with the members of the VPRI team through this list. And how much engagement do you get? Not a lot, if you look at the number of posts by VPRI members to this list, though what little does

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-19 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 19 December 2010 02:14, Steve Taylor s...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Reuben Thomas wrote: 1. You prefer to release only polished artefacts. This is just egotistical. Demanding that people show you their work before it's ready can come across as pretty egotistical too. I already said I'm not

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-19 Thread Nikolay Suslov
Mark, On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Mark Haniford markhanif...@gmail.comwrote: I wish we could stop stupid analogies, like to a pregnant woman. But hey, at least you didn't use a car analogy. Do not rush to conclusions too fast.. ) Anyway, car or any other analogy seems to be not as

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-18 Thread Steve Taylor
Reuben Thomas wrote: 1. You prefer to release only polished artefacts. This is just egotistical. Demanding that people show you their work before it's ready can come across as pretty egotistical too. Yes - I'd love to see a lot more FONC stuff released - but I don't think we've got a

[fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Reuben Thomas
I started reading with interest the October 2010 STEPS Progress Report, then as soon as I got to the first screenshot, was overcome by a familiar feeling of depression: I strongly suspected, and quickly confirmed, that there was no code I could try. We've been over this ground in the past, and

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Oleksandr Nikitin
PM To: Fundamentals of New Computing Subject: [fonc] Show Us The Code! I started reading with interest the October 2010 STEPS Progress Report, then as soon as I got to the first screenshot, was overcome by a familiar feeling of depression: I strongly suspected, and quickly confirmed

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Ken Ritchie
, if at all, to people outside of this mailing list. -- Oleksandr Nikitin -Original Message- From: Reuben Thomas Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:45 PM To: Fundamentals of New Computing Subject: [fonc] Show Us The Code! I started reading with interest the October 2010 STEPS

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Ken Ritchie
I enjoy *both* the writings and the code. Bring it *all* on! And the active essays are a great way to integrate them. Why? [Writings] share vision, intent, possibilities, analysis, and background stories. [Codings] implement specific realizations and demonstrations of dynamic concepts. I am

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Mark Haniford
Year and years have passed by. There's something else going on here. I'll keep my speculations to myself. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote: Usually, when I'm working on a development of any kind, I don't release my half-baked ideas. This has a

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Julian Leviston
No way dude... they've release most of what they've been working on... J On 18/12/2010, at 3:53 PM, Mark Haniford wrote: Year and years have passed by. There's something else going on here. I'll keep my speculations to myself. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Julian Leviston

Re: [fonc] Show Us The Code!

2010-12-17 Thread Casey Ransberger
They're bootstrapping a whole platform. It's an experimental platform. This stuff takes time and sometimes there can get to be too many cooks in the kitchen if you aren't careful. I didn't mean to start up a gimme-the-bits thread: mea culpa. self break.