Re: Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-26 Thread Casey Ransberger
I want to try using a fluffy pop song to sell a protest album... it worked for others before me:) If you're really lucky, some people will accidentally listen to your other songs. (metaphorically speaking) A spoonful of sugar -- Casey On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Alan Kay

Re: Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-26 Thread Julian Leviston
On 26/07/2011, at 3:47 PM, Alan Kay wrote: But the dilemma is: what happens if this is the route and the children and adults reject it for the much more alluring human universals? Even if almost none of them lead to a stable, thriving, growth inducing and prosperous civilization? These

Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-25 Thread Julian Leviston
On 26/07/2011, at 1:33 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 25 July 2011 16:16, Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net wrote: On 26/07/2011, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: Interestingly that many today's trendy and popular things (which we know today as web) were invented as a temporary solution

Re: Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-25 Thread Julian Leviston
On 26/07/2011, at 12:20 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: You lost me here. My attitude to Ruby is same as to Perl: lets take bit from here, bit from there, mix well everything and voila! , we having new programming language. It may be good for cooking recipe, but definitely not very good for

Re: Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-25 Thread Julian Leviston
On 26/07/2011, at 12:20 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: But for programming its a bit different: you giving to people a tool which they will use to craft their own products. And depending on how good/bad this tool are, the end product's quality will vary. And also, it would be too good to be

Re: Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-25 Thread Julian Leviston
On 26/07/2011, at 12:20 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: Say, for example, like making a telephone that is vastly more easy to use than all other telephones on the planet. Now, for tech geeks, it's not really *that* much easier to use... For example, when the iPhone came out, I got one, and the

Re: Growth, Popularity and Languages - was Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam

2011-07-25 Thread Alan Kay
The argument about mass popularity is good if all you want to do is triumph in the consumer products business (c.f. many previous raps I've done about the anthropological human universals and how and why technological amplifiers for them have been and will be very popular). This is because