Re: svn commit: r368462

2006-01-14 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hey, Simon is on the PMC, so he should know. Just joking. Back to
business: There is a recent thread on legal-discuss that should shed
some light into this:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200601.mbox/browser

Looks like I was taking this a little too strict earlier. And it turns
out that the copyright year thing will likely soon be a thing of the
past anyway. HTH

On 14.01.2006 01:52:31 Manuel Mall wrote:
snip/
  It is quite equivocal for me. On the one hand it speaks about new
  significant content, which would mean: leave out 2005. On the other
  it speaks about a range of years due to the public accessibility
  (meaning continuous publication?), which would mean: 1999-2006.
 
 
 Simon,
 
 good point and I don't know the answer. My interpretation was to leave 
 the 2005 out but I can see that leaving it in can be sensibly argued as 
 well. 
 
 But that's what we have our PMC for don't we?
 
 PMC please tell us committers how these ASF rules should be interpreted 
 in the XMLGRAPHICS  project.


Jeremias Maerki



Re: svn commit: r368462

2006-01-14 Thread Manuel Mall
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:09 pm, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
 Hey, Simon is on the PMC, so he should know. Just joking. Back to
 business: There is a recent thread on legal-discuss that should shed
 some light into this:
 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200601.mbo
x/browser

 Looks like I was taking this a little too strict earlier. And it
 turns out that the copyright year thing will likely soon be a thing
 of the past anyway. HTH


Not really as it still doesn't give us a direction what to do now. 

However, after reading the thread you pointed to and some related stuff 
it seems to me that ATM Copyright refers to something like:

The year of publication for that particular copyrightable work, where 
copyrightable means the changes are significant enough to justify a 
separate copyright from the  original.

This means for trivial changes (which is a subjective thing of course) 
we shouldn't update the year, for others we should but need to leave 
gaps for years without copyrightable additions to the work. So the svn 
submit in question which triggered this thread is should have been 
either:

Copyright 1999-2004, 2006 The Apache Software Foundation.

or:

no change to the copyright header if the change was trivial.

Agreed ???

snip/

 Jeremias Maerki

Manuel


Re: svn commit: r368462

2006-01-14 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Exactly.

On 14.01.2006 10:38:14 Manuel Mall wrote:
 On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:09 pm, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
  Hey, Simon is on the PMC, so he should know. Just joking. Back to
  business: There is a recent thread on legal-discuss that should shed
  some light into this:
  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200601.mbo
 x/browser
 
  Looks like I was taking this a little too strict earlier. And it
  turns out that the copyright year thing will likely soon be a thing
  of the past anyway. HTH
 
 
 Not really as it still doesn't give us a direction what to do now. 
 
 However, after reading the thread you pointed to and some related stuff 
 it seems to me that ATM Copyright refers to something like:
 
 The year of publication for that particular copyrightable work, where 
 copyrightable means the changes are significant enough to justify a 
 separate copyright from the  original.
 
 This means for trivial changes (which is a subjective thing of course) 
 we shouldn't update the year, for others we should but need to leave 
 gaps for years without copyrightable additions to the work. So the svn 
 submit in question which triggered this thread is should have been 
 either:
 
 Copyright 1999-2004, 2006 The Apache Software Foundation.
 
 or:
 
 no change to the copyright header if the change was trivial.
 
 Agreed ???
 
 snip/
 
  Jeremias Maerki
 
 Manuel



Jeremias Maerki



Re: svn commit: r368462

2006-01-13 Thread Simon Pepping
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 07:34:40AM +0800, Manuel Mall wrote:
 On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Author: spepping
  Date: Thu Jan 12 12:40:08 2006
  New Revision: 368462
 
  xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/fo/expr/FromParentFunct
 ion.java (original) +++
  xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/fo/expr/FromParentFunct
 ion.java Thu Jan 12 12:40:08 2006 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
   /*
  - * Copyright 1999-2004 The Apache Software Foundation.
  + * Copyright 1999-2006 The Apache Software Foundation.
*
 I know this is very picky but shouldn't this be written as:
 
 Copyright 1999-2004, 2006 The Apache Software Foundation.
 
 Unless there was a change to the file in 2005 (see 
 http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html)?

I thought of it when I made the change, but I did not know of any
pertinent rule.

At the page you link to, I suppose you aim at this phrase:

 Source files contributed to or developed as part of an ASF project
 should begin with a copyright notice like
 
Copyright 2004 The Apache Software Foundation.
 or
Copyright 1999-2004 The Apache Software Foundation.
 or
Copyright 2002,2004 The Apache Software Foundation.
 
 where the years given start with the first publication year of the
 file contents (the authored expression) and include a range of years
 for each year that new significant content (derivative work) is
 published within the file. Since the ASF publishes its code in public
 source code modules (CVS and Subversion), we generally want to include
 a range of years starting with the year of origin.

It is quite equivocal for me. On the one hand it speaks about new
significant content, which would mean: leave out 2005. On the other it
speaks about a range of years due to the public accessibility (meaning
continuous publication?), which would mean: 1999-2006.

Simon

-- 
Simon Pepping
home page: http://www.leverkruid.nl



Re: svn commit: r368462 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: src/java/org/apache/fop/fo/expr/ test/fotree/testcases/

2006-01-12 Thread Manuel Mall
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Author: spepping
 Date: Thu Jan 12 12:40:08 2006
 New Revision: 368462

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/fo/expr/FromParentFunct
ion.java (original) +++
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/fo/expr/FromParentFunct
ion.java Thu Jan 12 12:40:08 2006 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
  /*
 - * Copyright 1999-2004 The Apache Software Foundation.
 + * Copyright 1999-2006 The Apache Software Foundation.
   *
I know this is very picky but shouldn't this be written as:

Copyright 1999-2004, 2006 The Apache Software Foundation.

Unless there was a change to the file in 2005 (see 
http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html)?

Manuel