Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread jos van kesteren
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:45:30 +0200 From: Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil) Message-ID: 20111019234530.gb10...@britannica.bec.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread dexen deVries
On Thursday 20 of October 2011 17:28:27 jos van kesteren wrote: Since ODF documents can be unzipped, and their XML contents are text anyway, why not make a commit program (instead of a merge program) that unzips the ODF and stores the XML in the repo ? that assumes merging /text/ of XML of

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:28:27 +0200 jos van kesteren josvankeste...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Even that is not necessarily true. You can't merge binary files like text files -- sure. But it doesn't mean that for a specific binary format, a merge algorithm isn't possible. Consider ODF documents

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Barrow mich...@barrow.me wrote: No -- please no locks! Concur. Locks are out-of-band for Fossil. If anybody thinks they really, really need locks, I'll be happy to offer them a

[fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:18:01AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Yujianbin yujian...@huawei.com (2) support lock command, http://veracity-scm.org has this command. As Yujianbin mentions veracity... I saw some videos about veracity. From the web

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell virik...@gmail.com Whether to support locks... I think it can help some users, but I don't have use cases in my day to day. My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Dmitry Chestnykh
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:50:26 +0200 Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone who _thinks_ they need them is still living in the 1980's or early 1990's. Just

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Remigiusz Modrzejewski
On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: 2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell virik...@gmail.com Whether to support locks... I think it can help some users, but I don't have use cases in my day to day. My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.plwrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone who _thinks_ they

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Remigiusz Modrzejewski l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote: I seem to be still in the 80's... So how do you cope with edit conflicts on binary files today? i wasn't aware that people use

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Michael Barrow
No -- please no locks! Remember, you are still free to use out-of-band mechanisms to contact the other developers to coordinate your activity: email, telephone, tweet, smoke signals, carrier pigeons, etc. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19,

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Richard Hipp
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Barrow mich...@barrow.me wrote: No -- please no locks! Concur. Locks are out-of-band for Fossil. If anybody thinks they really, really need locks, I'll be happy to offer them a referral to Veracity. Note that Fossil works just fine with binary

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Matt Welland
I sent out a description of how I think light weight locks could be implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good progress on implementing what I want in a wrapper around fossil (implement locks in addition to some other things). I can look into making the wrapper

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Michael Barrow
I get it, but I don't get it. Locks don't make sense in a DVCS. If I'm on a plane (without wifi, of course) and I want to edit a binary file, I'd be hosed because I wouldn't be able to push the lock to the central server. What if, like the Fossil main repo for example, there are two central

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: The only problem with binary files is that you cannot merge them. Even that is not necessarily true. You can't merge binary files like text files -- sure. But it doesn't mean that for a specific binary format, a merge algorithm isn't

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: The only problem with binary files is that you cannot merge them. ...moment. A merge program could extract the zip archive, do a *textual* merge

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Matt Welland
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Michael Barrow mich...@barrow.me wrote: I get it, but I don't get it. Locks don't make sense in a DVCS. If I'm on a plane (without wifi, of course) and I want to edit a binary file, I'd be hosed because I wouldn't be able to push the lock to the central server.

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:24:17 -0700 Matt Welland estifo...@gmail.com wrote: I sent out a description of how I think light weight locks could be implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good progress on implementing what I want in a wrapper around fossil (implement

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Matt Welland
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mike Meyer m...@mired.org wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:24:17 -0700 Matt Welland estifo...@gmail.com wrote: I sent out a description of how I think light weight locks could be implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good