Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Gour
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 20:03:44 -0700
Jungle Boogie 
wrote:

> This line:
> SQLite project gets excellent 73:1 compression.

$ fossil dbstat
project-name:  Osobne financije
repository-size:   6,873,088 bytes
artifact-count:2,578 (stored as 1,394 full text and 1,184 deltas)
artifact-sizes:3,962,610 average, 13,965,692 max, 10,215,609,449 total
compression-ratio: 1486:1
check-ins: 1,507
...

:-)


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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Jungle Boogie
On Sun 03 Jun 2018  9:28 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> There is suddenly a big uptick in traffic to fossil-scm.org,
> apparently due to the recent GitHub rumor.  Unlike that traditional
> "slashdot effect", though, the referrals seem to be coming for a large
> variety of sources.
> 
> So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do to
> the website in anticipation of a huge influx of first-time visitors,
> please speak up.  Quickly.

On the homepage:
Maybe a blurb about using sha3 in light of what happened with sha1.

Link to reports and/or stats page: https://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/reports
This is not to show off how active fossil itself is, but Github projects have
the insights tab easily available.




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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Jungle Boogie
On Sun 03 Jun 2018 11:06 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> On 6/3/18, Jungle Boogie  wrote:
> > On Sun 03 Jun 2018 10:47 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> >> On 6/3/18, jungle Boogie  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Since it's linked from the homepage, maybe this can be updated to show
> >> > that
> >> > a) project website is still updated and b) to show fossil is still
> >> > efficient.
> >> >
> >> > http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/stats.wiki
> >> >
> >>
> >> Updated.
> >
> > This line:
> > SQLite project gets excellent 73:1 compression.
> >
> > Chart now shows 80:1! Perhaps just 73:1 or better?
> 
> I got 80:1 on a fresh clone.  You get something different?

No, the text under 'Analysis And Supplemental Data' shows the older 73:1. 

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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Richard Hipp
On 6/3/18, Jungle Boogie  wrote:
> On Sun 03 Jun 2018 10:47 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>> On 6/3/18, jungle Boogie  wrote:
>> >
>> > Since it's linked from the homepage, maybe this can be updated to show
>> > that
>> > a) project website is still updated and b) to show fossil is still
>> > efficient.
>> >
>> > http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/stats.wiki
>> >
>>
>> Updated.
>
> This line:
> SQLite project gets excellent 73:1 compression.
>
> Chart now shows 80:1! Perhaps just 73:1 or better?

I got 80:1 on a fresh clone.  You get something different?
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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Jungle Boogie
On Sun 03 Jun 2018 10:47 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> On 6/3/18, jungle Boogie  wrote:
> >
> > Since it's linked from the homepage, maybe this can be updated to show that
> > a) project website is still updated and b) to show fossil is still
> > efficient.
> >
> > http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/stats.wiki
> >
> 
> Updated.

This line:
SQLite project gets excellent 73:1 compression.

Chart now shows 80:1! Perhaps just 73:1 or better?

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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Jungle Boogie
On Sun 03 Jun 2018  9:28 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> There is suddenly a big uptick in traffic to fossil-scm.org,
> apparently due to the recent GitHub rumor.  Unlike that traditional
> "slashdot effect", though, the referrals seem to be coming for a large
> variety of sources.
> 
> So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do to
> the website in anticipation of a huge influx of first-time visitors,
> please speak up.  Quickly.
> 

Perhaps expand point #2 to talk about themes/skins built into fossil, and a link
to the URL where the user can browse the examples.

You might consider remove or moving the 'Fuel' link down the list. There sadly
hasn't been an update to the repo since Oct 2015.


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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Richard Hipp
On 6/3/18, Joseph R. Justice  wrote:
>
> Neither is Git.
>

The point is that Fossil comes bundled with many of the same features
as GitHub/GitLab.  So the comparison is no so much of Fossil-vs-Git,
but Fossil-vs-Git(Hub|Lab).

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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Richard Hipp
On 6/3/18, jungle Boogie  wrote:
>
> Since it's linked from the homepage, maybe this can be updated to show that
> a) project website is still updated and b) to show fossil is still
> efficient.
>
> http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/stats.wiki
>

Updated.
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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018, 9:33 PM Richard Hipp  wrote:

> On 6/3/18, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> >
> > So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do...
>
> For example, on the front page
> (https://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki), what if
> I add some text to item 8 to talk about how Fossil is "Independent and
> not beholden to venture capitalists".  Too snarky?
>

Neither is Git.

The Fossil-based competition to GitHub would be, for instance, Chiselapp
(IIRC).

I dare say that the greatest beneficiary of this stuff is likely to be
Gitlab.  Is anybody doing any serious for-profit Fossil repository hosting
yet?



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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread jungle Boogie
On 6:28PM, Sun, Jun 3, 2018 Richard Hipp  wrote:
>
> There is suddenly a big uptick in traffic to fossil-scm.org,
> apparently due to the recent GitHub rumor.  Unlike that traditional
> "slashdot effect", though, the referrals seem to be coming for a large
> variety of sources.
>
> So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do to
> the website in anticipation of a huge influx of first-time visitors,
> please speak up.  Quickly.
>

Since it's linked from the homepage, maybe this can be updated to show that
a) project website is still updated and b) to show fossil is still
efficient.

http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/stats.wiki

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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas

On 03/06/18 20:28, Richard Hipp wrote:
> There is suddenly a big uptick in traffic to fossil-scm.org,
> apparently due to the recent GitHub rumor.  Unlike that traditional
> "slashdot effect", though, the referrals seem to be coming for a large
> variety of sources.
>
> So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do to
> the website in anticipation of a huge influx of first-time visitors,
> please speak up.  Quickly.
>

I think that would be fine to compile some "Powered by Fossil" projects,
for the upcoming show time. Maybe that could be a growing list. GitHub
is mostly famous by the projects there and their network effect, not
because of the inherent goodness of Git. We, using self hosted
repositories don't have such central place for visibility and FossilSCM
could be that place. Maybe a custom made form (also powered by the
Fossil SQL capabilities) could collect repos info (project name,
important urls, and maybe some extra comments).

This, of course would not be for last minute adds, but to  benefit from
the increased interest on Fossil that will come with the centralization
wave comming from MS+GitHub news.

Cheers,

Offray


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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 03:33 Richard Hipp  wrote:

> On 6/3/18, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> >
> > So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do...
>
> For example, on the front page
> (https://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki), what if
> I add some text to item 8 to talk about how Fossil is "Independent and
> not beholden to venture capitalists".  Too snarky?
>

Murphy's Law suggests that the moment you post that the moment you post
that, Microsoft, Google, or Oracle will make you an offer you can't refuse
(and that statement will remain part of the fossilized record).


- stephan
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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Steve Landers
Too snarky, IMHO.

State the positive, let the reader figure the negative.

Steve

On 4 Jun 2018, 9:33 AM +0800, Richard Hipp , wrote:
> On 6/3/18, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> >
> > So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do...
>
> For example, on the front page
> (https://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki), what if
> I add some text to item 8 to talk about how Fossil is "Independent and
> not beholden to venture capitalists". Too snarky?
>
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Re: [fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Richard Hipp
On 6/3/18, Richard Hipp  wrote:
>
> So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do...

For example, on the front page
(https://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki), what if
I add some text to item 8 to talk about how Fossil is "Independent and
not beholden to venture capitalists".  Too snarky?

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[fossil-users] Show time...

2018-06-03 Thread Richard Hipp
There is suddenly a big uptick in traffic to fossil-scm.org,
apparently due to the recent GitHub rumor.  Unlike that traditional
"slashdot effect", though, the referrals seem to be coming for a large
variety of sources.

So, if anybody sees any last minute tidying up that we need to do to
the website in anticipation of a huge influx of first-time visitors,
please speak up.  Quickly.

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Re: [fossil-users] Rumor: Microsoft has acquired github

2018-06-03 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 2018-06-04 02:24, Stephan Beal wrote:
>>> It does kind of make sense: the global leader in creating
>>> market-leading-yet-unusable software acquires one more piece of
>>> market-leading-yet-unusable software.
>>
>>This appeals to my sense of order.  :)
> 
> Though, to be fair: github goes to great lengths to make git usable, but
> with a piece of software so thoroughly misanthropic as git, one can only do
> so much.
   Agreed.

> We'll supposedly find out "on Monday" whether this rumor is true. It's
> already Monday in my timezone, but the news outlets don't seem to care
> about non-US timezones :/.

   Someone on twitter jested:  "Sign in with your Office 365 account to
access github.".  I think there are a lot of people a gritting their
teeth over that joke right now.

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Re: [fossil-users] Rumor: Microsoft has acquired github

2018-06-03 Thread Stephan Beal
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 2:08 AM, Jan Danielsson 
wrote:

> On 2018-06-04 00:35, Stephan Beal wrote:
> [---]
> > It does kind of make sense: the global leader in creating
> > market-leading-yet-unusable software acquires one more piece of
> > market-leading-yet-unusable software.
>
>This appeals to my sense of order.  :)
>

Though, to be fair: github goes to great lengths to make git usable, but
with a piece of software so thoroughly misanthropic as git, one can only do
so much.

We'll supposedly find out "on Monday" whether this rumor is true. It's
already Monday in my timezone, but the news outlets don't seem to care
about non-US timezones :/.

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Re: [fossil-users] Rumor: Microsoft has acquired github

2018-06-03 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 2018-06-04 00:35, Stephan Beal wrote:
[---]
> It does kind of make sense: the global leader in creating
> market-leading-yet-unusable software acquires one more piece of
> market-leading-yet-unusable software.

   This appeals to my sense of order.  :)

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[fossil-users] Rumor: Microsoft has acquired github

2018-06-03 Thread Stephan Beal
This is currently just a rumor, but a juicy one which should interest some
Fossil users:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/3/17422752/microsoft-github-acquisition-rumors

It does kind of make sense: the global leader in creating
market-leading-yet-unusable software acquires one more piece of
market-leading-yet-unusable software.

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