Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Barrow wrote: > > > No -- please no locks! > > > > > Concur. Locks are out-of-band for Fossil. If anybody thinks they really, > really need locks, I'll be happy to offer them a referral to

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:28:27 +0200 jos van kesteren wrote: [...] >>> Even that is not necessarily true. You can't merge binary files >>> like text files -- sure. But it doesn't mean that for a specific >>> binary format, a merge algorithm isn't possible. Consider ODF >>> documents for a moment. A

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread dexen deVries
On Thursday 20 of October 2011 17:28:27 jos van kesteren wrote: > Since ODF documents can be unzipped, and their XML contents are text > anyway, why not make a commit program (instead of a merge program) that > unzips the ODF and > stores the XML in the repo ? that assumes merging /text/ of XML o

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-20 Thread jos van kesteren
>> >> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:45:30 +0200 >> From: Joerg Sonnenberger >> To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org >> Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil) >> Message-ID: <20111019234530.gb10...@britannica.bec.de> >

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Matt Welland
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mike Meyer wrote: > On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:24:17 -0700 > Matt Welland wrote: > > > I sent out a description of how I think light weight "locks" could be > > implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some > good > > progress on implementing

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:24:17 -0700 Matt Welland wrote: > I sent out a description of how I think light weight "locks" could be > implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good > progress on implementing what I want in a wrapper around fossil (implement > locks in addit

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Matt Welland
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Michael Barrow wrote: > I get it, but I don't get it. Locks don't make sense in a DVCS. If I'm on a > plane (without wifi, of course) and I want to edit a binary file, I'd be > hosed because I wouldn't be able to push the lock to the "central" server. > Sure it w

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > > The only problem with binary files is that you cannot merge them. > > ...moment. A merge program could extract the zip archive, do a *textual* > merge on the XML files an

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > The only problem with binary files is that you cannot merge them. Even that is not necessarily true. You can't merge binary files like text files -- sure. But it doesn't mean that for a specific binary format, a merge algorithm isn't

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Michael Barrow
I get it, but I don't get it. Locks don't make sense in a DVCS. If I'm on a plane (without wifi, of course) and I want to edit a binary file, I'd be hosed because I wouldn't be able to push the lock to the "central" server. What if, like the Fossil main repo for example, there are two central serv

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Matt Welland
I sent out a description of how I think light weight "locks" could be implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good progress on implementing what I want in a wrapper around fossil (implement locks in addition to some other things). I can look into making the wrapper ava

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Richard Hipp
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Barrow wrote: > No -- please no locks! > Concur. Locks are out-of-band for Fossil. If anybody thinks they really, really need locks, I'll be happy to offer them a referral to Veracity. Note that Fossil works just fine with binary files. Fossil's self

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Michael Barrow
No -- please no locks! Remember, you are still free to use out-of-band mechanisms to contact the other developers to coordinate your activity: email, telephone, tweet, smoke signals, carrier pigeons, etc. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Stephan Beal wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Ste

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Remigiusz Modrzejewski < > l...@maxnet.org.pl> wrote: > >> >> I seem to be still in the 80's... So how do you cope with edit conflicts >> on binary files today? >> > > i wasn't aware that people use them for b

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Remigiusz Modrzejewski wrote: > > On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: > > My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once > had a > > use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone who _thinks_ > they > > need them is

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Remigiusz Modrzejewski
On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: > 2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell > >> Whether to support locks... I think it can help some users, but I don't >> have use >> cases in my day to day. >> > > My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a > use fo

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Dmitry Chestnykh
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:50:26 +0200 Stephan Beal wrote: > My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never > once had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone > who _thinks_ they need them is still living in the 1980's or early > 1990's. Just for fun: a lock s

Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Stephan Beal
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell > Whether to support locks... I think it can help some users, but I don't > have use > cases in my day to day. > My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone who _thinks_

[fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)

2011-10-19 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:18:01AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Yujianbin > > (2) support lock command, http://veracity-scm.org has this command. As Yujianbin mentions veracity... I saw some videos about veracity. From the web page, the author