Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-08 Thread Jan Nijtmans
2014/1/8 Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.com: Ummm... One other quite possibly naive question. I browsed in the Fossil sources briefly related to the tag you mentioned previously, the sqlite-min-to-3.7.17 tag, and if I'm understanding what I see correctly, you're doing the check for the

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-07 Thread Jan Nijtmans
2014/1/7 Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.com: I assume you do not mean here that Fossil v 1.28 should be released concurrently with SQLite release v 3.8.3, but instead that Fossil v 1.28 should be released when it is ready on or after the moment that SQLite release v 3.8.3 is tagged (be that

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-07 Thread Ron Wilson
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Jan Nijtmans jan.nijtm...@gmail.com wrote: at (1): Supporting every SQLite 3.7.x release is madness, SQLite 3.7.17 is more than 7 months old now, that should be enough time for whatever distribution to upgrade to it. That depends on what other packages

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-07 Thread Jan Nijtmans
2014/1/6 Jan Nijtmans jan.nijtm...@gmail.com: (4) Immediately after the fossil 1.28 release, add a runtime-check for SQlite 2.8.2 (as suggested by Joe Mistachkin), and add WITHOUT ROWID to whatever SQL statement it is useful. Unconditionally! Implementation here:

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-07 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Jan Nijtmans jan.nijtm...@gmail.com wrote: 2014/1/7 Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.com: May I ask why that run-time check cannot or should not be made in the release version of Fossil 1.28, rather than immediately after it is tagged such that it will

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-06 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Jan Nijtmans jan.nijtm...@gmail.com wrote: 2014/1/4 Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org: (3) After SQLite 3.8.3 is released, release fossil 1.28 with the EXACT SQLite 3.8.3 amalgamation included. I assume you do not mean here that Fossil v 1.28 should be

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-04 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: More generally, trying to ensure that a) there's only one copy of every library in the distro/OS, b) all version dependencies match up, is *super* hard, if not impossible. Eventually there are some very commonly used

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread Ron Wilson
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.comwrote: Further, in the embedded software world at least, I expect it is often difficult or even impossible to update software in the first place to patch bugs or provide new functionality, so there is no need much less

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ron Wilson ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.comwrote: Further, in the embedded software world at least, I expect it is often difficult or even impossible to update software in the first place

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread Ron Wilson
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.comwrote: Actually... What I was thinking of here was not anything related to preparation of the software changes or release package, but instead the actual deployment of the software itself into the field, and particularly

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread j. van den hoff
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 19:28:10 +0100, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ron Wilson ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, the singular of data is datum. It is in Latin. In English data is a mass noun or an uncountable noun. Like sand or information or water, it

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread David Given
On 03/01/14 21:54, j. van den hoff wrote: [...] as a physicist I've never seen `data' used in its singluar form and I'm sure you are not completely (although mostly) right here. but as a non-native speaker I rather resort to the Oxford Dictionary of English which says (citing it verbatim

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Richard Hipp on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:32:22 -0500: I hate having to support --disable-internal-sqlite, and I hate having to add silly work-arounds in the code to accommodate distributions trying to use an older SQLite with a newer Fossil. This impedes progress and

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-03 Thread Joe Mistachkin
Andy Bradford wrote: I see no reason to accomodate older SQLite libraries in Fossil code workarounds. Shouldn't we just update the following lines of configure detection to have a new requirement of SQLite = 3.8.2 and be done with it; thus also avoiding the workarounds, bugs and

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Jan Nijtmans
2014/1/1 Andy Bradford amb-fos...@bradfords.org: ...I get this because I configure with --disable-internal-sqlite on OpenBSD. Fixed here: http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/info/c3211392da The branch timeline-utc contains another --disable-internal-sqlite - related fix (making the

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Jan Nijtmans
2014/1/2 Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org: It's maddening. It makes my hair turn gray. It irks me more than seeing the noun data used as a plural. Utter madness! But we live in a fallen world. We have to do it. Please go ahead and merge. Thanks! Actually, I agree that it's madless, but

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread B Harder
_WHY_ does --disable-internal-sqlite (and the unknown versions of SQLite that follow) have to be supported ? If package/OS maintainers insist on hacking in alien shared-lib SQLite, let them own their hacks and the repercussions. Call it a major version# bump, and remove that support. -bch On

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Joseph R. Justice
[Top-posting considered harmful. *cough*] On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 12:40 PM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/2/14, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: The silly requirement of some distributions that *everything* must be a shared library irks me beyond words. I hate having to

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Joseph R. Justice
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Joseph R. Justice jayare...@gmail.comwrote: [Top-posting considered harmful. *cough*] On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 12:40 PM, B Harder brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/2/14, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: The silly requirement of some distributions that

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Florian Weimer
* Richard Hipp: The silly requirement of some distributions that *everything* must be a shared library irks me beyond words. I hate having to support --disable-internal-sqlite, and I hate having to add silly work-arounds in the code to accommodate distributions trying to use an older SQLite

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Richard Hipp
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Richard Hipp: The silly requirement of some distributions that *everything* must be a shared library irks me beyond words. I hate having to support --disable-internal-sqlite, and I hate having to add silly

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Nico Williams
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Richard Hipp: The silly requirement of some distributions that *everything* must be a shared library irks me beyond words. I hate having to support --disable-internal-sqlite, and I hate having to add silly work-arounds

Re: [fossil-users] New Tree-View feature requires newer sqlite.

2014-01-02 Thread Nico Williams
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: * Richard Hipp: The silly requirement of some distributions that *everything* must be a shared library irks me beyond words. [...] Uhm, does POSIX