the one guy behind it also wrote a book about VCSs called Version Control
By Example
That one guy (Eric Sink) is actually a pretty well-respected VCS developer
small business owner; Veracity was not a one-man project, it was an
Apache licensed company product.
In the early 2000s if you had to
I'd say that his problem is to use a DVCS with lots of data in binary files
(game assets). He's bound to run into trouble even with mercurial.
The idea of keeping everything is seducing and works extremely well for
source code because it's small and is easily deltaized and compressed,
but it's
On 12/03/15 02:46, Andy Bradford wrote:
Thus said Andy Goth on Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:56:43 -0500:
anonymous does have some privileges not inherited from nobody (hmncz)
anonymous doesn't have z by default.
No, but nobody does:
https://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/info/68ce0bcf6269988e
On 11/03/15 23:21, Andy Goth wrote:
On 3/11/2015 8:58 AM, Graeme Pietersz wrote:
On 11/03/15 12:25, Andy Goth wrote:
All you have to do is take away all of nobody's privileges.
f user capabilities nobody
Can also be done with the web interface.
And the same for anonymous surely?
No
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:55 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com
wrote:
Has anyone ever used Veracity?
I used it very briefly, but ended up going to Fossil. The one guy behind
it also wrote a book about VCSs called Version Control By Example
http://ericsink.com/vcbe/ that compares a
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:58 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com
wrote:
-also isn’t a single-button way to switch the default settings of
permissions to the repository from open-source (default) to private,
corporate
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Graeme Pietersz gra...@pietersz.net
wrote:
On 11/03/15 00:45, Ron W wrote:
I'm thinking he wants 2 sets of default settings: The existing one (which
he perceives as being open source oriented) and another set that are more
appropriate for use by software
Thus said Andy Goth on Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:56:43 -0500:
anonymous does have some privileges not inherited from nobody (hmncz)
anonymous doesn't have z by default.
No, but nobody does:
https://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/info/68ce0bcf6269988e
Maybe what he really meant was that any user
On 3/11/2015 2:08 PM, Graeme Pietersz wrote:
I just experimented with a new repo
Even if nobody has no privileges, anonymous can login.
True. Take away all of anonymous's capabilities to remove the ability
for anonymous to log in. The documentation needs to be updated to say
this clearly.
On 11/03/15 23:53, Andreas Kupries wrote:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Andreas,
On 11 March 2015 at 10:58, Andreas Kupries andre...@activestate.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Richard Boehme rboe...@gmail.com wrote:
I would
Hi Any,
On 10 March 2015 at 23:53, Andy Goth andrew.m.g...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/11/2015 12:15 AM, jungle Boogie wrote:
I created a test repo with a few commits:
The commit of the 100 MB files took about 300 seconds but this ran on
a single core 512MB-1gig RAM machine.
I know this is
On 3/11/2015 8:58 AM, Graeme Pietersz wrote:
On 11/03/15 12:25, Andy Goth wrote:
All you have to do is take away all of nobody's privileges.
f user capabilities nobody
Can also be done with the web interface.
And the same for anonymous surely?
No need. anonymous inherits its ability to
Hi Andreas,
On 11 March 2015 at 10:58, Andreas Kupries andre...@activestate.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Richard Boehme rboe...@gmail.com wrote:
I would be strongly in favor of presets in Fossil as everyone has outlined
open source - everyone can read
corporate - only
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Andreas,
On 11 March 2015 at 10:58, Andreas Kupries andre...@activestate.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Richard Boehme rboe...@gmail.com wrote:
I would be strongly in favor of presets in Fossil as
On 11 March 2015 at 12:26, Graeme Pietersz gra...@pietersz.net wrote:
.. but the developer and reader privileges still exist so the initial user
can easily add collaborators,
the effect would not be very different from a Github private repo
Corporate = many users different permissions
I would be strongly in favor of presets in Fossil as everyone has outlined
open source - everyone can read
corporate - only registered users can read, and new users have
minimal permissions
private - I'm unsure what this means. Comments?
Thanks.
Richard
On 3/11/15, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com
Hi Andy,
On 11 March 2015 at 11:49, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote:
Next time I'll actually run time but here's results with ^t in freeBSD:
fossil commit -m added 10 100MB binary files
load: 0.37 cmd: fossil 6695 [runnable] 6.16r 3.18u 0.90s 32% 4924k
./bigfile contains binary
On 3/11/2015 12:15 AM, jungle Boogie wrote:
I created a test repo with a few commits:
The commit of the 100 MB files took about 300 seconds but this ran on
a single core 512MB-1gig RAM machine.
I know this is unscientific but it seems fossil handled the large
pretty commits well. If this
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 01:53:36AM -0500, Andy Goth wrote:
On 3/11/2015 12:15 AM, jungle Boogie wrote:
I created a test repo with a few commits:
The commit of the 100 MB files took about 300 seconds but this ran on
a single core 512MB-1gig RAM machine.
I know this is unscientific
On 11/03/15 12:25, Andy Goth wrote:
On 3/11/2015 12:49 AM, Graeme Pietersz wrote:
On 11/03/15 00:45, Ron W wrote:
I'm thinking he wants 2 sets of default settings: The existing one
(which he perceives as being open source oriented) and another set
that are more appropriate for use by
On 10 March 2015 at 09:55, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote:
Not that I'm even remotely interested in project, but I thought I'd
share it because it's so similar to Fossil:
http://veracity-scm.com/
BTW, referring link was this:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:37 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 10 March 2015 at 12:15, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Seems to me that he doesn't realize that Fossil separates the repository
from the working copy. He's expecting fossil clone to work like Git
or
Hg
Hi Ron,
On 10 March 2015 at 12:15, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:58 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com
wrote:
BTW, referring link was this:
http://www.omiyagames.com/farewell-fossil-version-control/
Author's main complaints about Fossil were:
...
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:58 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com
wrote:
BTW, referring link was this:
http://www.omiyagames.com/farewell-fossil-version-control/
Author's main complaints about Fossil were:
...
-Author thought you had to run sql each time to list tickets.
Many issue
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de
wrote:
Unless large files means larger than 2GB, I don't believe there is
one. I haven't run into a case where I wanted to use version control
systems for handling such files yet...
I posted a comment and he replied
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 04:52:05PM -0400, Ron W wrote:
I suspect the main reason was the problem with large files, whatever his
threshold for large is. Not a limit I've run into, yet.
Unless large files means larger than 2GB, I don't believe there is
one. I haven't run into a case where I
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 06:14:10PM -0400, Ron W wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de
wrote:
Unless large files means larger than 2GB, I don't believe there is
one. I haven't run into a case where I wanted to use version control
systems for
On 2011-10-20, at 01:13, Jeff Slutter j...@slutter.com wrote:
A couple weeks ago I posted about the possibility of a new configuration
setting called something like allow-binmerge (default off). If it is
enabled, and there is a gmerge-command set, could Fossil call the
gmerge-command to
On 10/20/2011 6:46 AM, Martin Gagnon wrote:
On 2011-10-20, at 01:13, Jeff Slutter j...@slutter.com wrote:
A couple weeks ago I posted about the possibility of a new configuration
setting called something like allow-binmerge (default off). If it is
enabled, and there is a gmerge-command set,
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:45:30 +0200
From: Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de
To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org
Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Veracity (was: Fwd: suggestion on fossil)
Message-ID: 20111019234530.gb10...@britannica.bec.de
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Thursday 20 of October 2011 17:28:27 jos van kesteren wrote:
Since ODF documents can be unzipped, and their XML contents are text
anyway, why not make a commit program (instead of a merge program) that
unzips the ODF and
stores the XML in the repo ?
that assumes merging /text/ of XML of
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:28:27 +0200
jos van kesteren josvankeste...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Even that is not necessarily true. You can't merge binary files
like text files -- sure. But it doesn't mean that for a specific
binary format, a merge algorithm isn't possible. Consider ODF
documents
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Barrow mich...@barrow.me wrote:
No -- please no locks!
Concur. Locks are out-of-band for Fossil. If anybody thinks they really,
really need locks, I'll be happy to offer them a
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Martin Gagnon eme...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-20, at 01:13, Jeff Slutter j...@slutter.com wrote:
A couple weeks ago I posted about the possibility of a new configuration
setting called something like allow-binmerge (default off). If it is
enabled, and
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Mike Meyer m...@mired.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Martin Gagnon eme...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-20, at 01:13, Jeff Slutter j...@slutter.com wrote:
A couple weeks ago I posted about the possibility of a new configuration
setting called
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell virik...@gmail.com
Whether to support locks... I think it can help some users, but I don't
have use
cases in my day to day.
My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a
use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO
And furthermore, how exactly do locks work in a distributed SCM
context? (that was my 2 NIS)
On 10/19/2011 02:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote:
My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once
had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone who
_thinks_ they
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 02:52:41PM +0200, Ron Aaron wrote:
And furthermore, how exactly do locks work in a distributed SCM
context? (that was my 2 NIS)
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell virik...@gmail.com
I think that the veracity documentation totally deludes. :) But it may be
intended, as it's a product of sourcegear. Eric wrote a book about it...
and his
message is (I think) buy the book.
So the master plan is to create an SCM for the
Ah, thank you. Now I understand. And it looks to me like a big
headache waiting to happen. Relying on people following intentions of
the software is not very robust.
On 10/19/2011 02:55 PM, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 02:52:41PM +0200, Ron Aaron wrote:
And
IMO anyone who
_thinks_ they need them is still living
in the 1980's or early 1990's.
Tell that to the gaming companies. They use version control,
and their repositories contain large numbers of very large
binary files (images). The absence of locks in the DVCS world
is the main reason
Er, no. The book is free.
I mean actually, er, free. In both electronic and paper forms.
You can get the book in HTML, PDF or EPUB here:
http://www.ericsink.com/vcbe/
The paper version is 288 pages in full color. We've shipped
out over 13,000 copies, including free postage, to people all
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:50:26 +0200 Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com
wrote:
My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never
once had a use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone
who _thinks_ they need them is still living in the 1980's or early
1990's.
Just
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:26:23AM -0500, Eric Sink wrote:
You can get the book in HTML, PDF or EPUB here:
http://www.ericsink.com/vcbe/
I was sure you were in this list ;)
Thank you for the link!
On 10/19/11 7:56 AM, Stephan Beal wrote:
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:56:47 +0200 Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com
wrote:
So the master plan is to create an SCM for the sole purpose of
selling books about the SCM (whose sole purpose is to sell a book
about...)?
Actually, Eric gave away this book ;-)
--
Dmitry Chestnykh
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:21:55AM -0500, Eric Sink wrote:
IMO anyone who
_thinks_ they need them is still living
in the 1980's or early 1990's.
Tell that to the gaming companies. They use version control,
and their repositories contain large numbers of very large
binary files
On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote:
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell virik...@gmail.com
Whether to support locks... I think it can help some users, but I don't
have use
cases in my day to day.
My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once had a
2011/10/19 Lluís Batlle i Rossell virik...@gmail.com
I think that the veracity documentation totally deludes. :) But it may be
intended, as it's a product of sourcegear. Eric wrote a book about it...
and his
message is (I think) buy the book.
Actuallythey're giving the book away. I got
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Remigiusz Modrzejewski
l...@maxnet.org.plwrote:
On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Stephan Beal wrote:
My 0.02€: in some 16 years of using source control, i have never once
had a
use for (and sometimes been hindered by) locks. IMO anyone who _thinks_
they
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Remigiusz Modrzejewski
l...@maxnet.org.pl wrote:
I seem to be still in the 80's... So how do you cope with edit conflicts
on binary files today?
i wasn't aware that people use
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On 10/19/2011 03:52 PM, Stephan Beal wrote:
Could a new special tag be used to implement lock-like behaviour? By
special i mean a reserved name (or name pattern, e.g. locked-by-USERNAME).
Tags apply to whole commits, though, not individual files.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Alaric Snell-Pym
ala...@snell-pym.org.ukwrote:
Tags apply to whole commits, though, not individual files. Perhaps
Doh, you're right. And it sounded so simple. :/
--
- stephan beal
http://wanderinghorse.net/home/stephan/
BTW, I just cloned Veracity source using veracity (vv) and realized that
the repo consists of 13 sqlite DBs (WAL mode) + 1 external BLOB file (+
counting number simple sqlite3 files with containing table)
On 19.10.2011 15:39, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:18:01AM
No -- please no locks! Remember, you are still free to use out-of-band
mechanisms to contact the other developers to coordinate your activity:
email, telephone, tweet, smoke signals, carrier pigeons, etc.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19,
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Barrow mich...@barrow.me wrote:
No -- please no locks!
Concur. Locks are out-of-band for Fossil. If anybody thinks they really,
really need locks, I'll be happy to offer them a referral to Veracity.
Note that Fossil works just fine with binary
I sent out a description of how I think light weight locks could be
implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good
progress on implementing what I want in a wrapper around fossil (implement
locks in addition to some other things). I can look into making the wrapper
I get it, but I don't get it. Locks don't make sense in a DVCS. If I'm on a
plane (without wifi, of course) and I want to edit a binary file, I'd be
hosed because I wouldn't be able to push the lock to the central server.
What if, like the Fossil main repo for example, there are two central
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote:
The only problem with binary files is that you cannot merge them.
Even that is not necessarily true. You can't merge binary files like
text files -- sure. But it doesn't mean that for a specific binary
format, a merge algorithm isn't
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de
wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 06:42:21PM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote:
The only problem with binary files is that you cannot merge them.
...moment. A merge program could extract the zip archive, do a *textual*
merge
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Michael Barrow mich...@barrow.me wrote:
I get it, but I don't get it. Locks don't make sense in a DVCS. If I'm on a
plane (without wifi, of course) and I want to edit a binary file, I'd be
hosed because I wouldn't be able to push the lock to the central server.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:24:17 -0700
Matt Welland estifo...@gmail.com wrote:
I sent out a description of how I think light weight locks could be
implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some good
progress on implementing what I want in a wrapper around fossil (implement
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mike Meyer m...@mired.org wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:24:17 -0700
Matt Welland estifo...@gmail.com wrote:
I sent out a description of how I think light weight locks could be
implemented on top of fossil in a past email. In fact I'm making some
good
A couple weeks ago I posted about the possibility of a new configuration
setting called something like allow-binmerge (default off). If it is
enabled, and there is a gmerge-command set, could Fossil call the
gmerge-command to resolve a binary merge conflict?
I would like to be able to handle
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