Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am sure that you and I have learned to create new articles. In the usability study, people who were completely new to MediaWiki were asked to perform well described tasks. All testsubjects were unable to create new articles. They did nothing wrong, they just could not figure out how to do

Re: [Foundation-l] EN Wikipedia Editing Statistics

2008-12-01 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Nikola Smolenski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 December 2008 04:09:11 Robert Rohde wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Neil Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the data replicated anywhere outside the Tampa data centre (such as in Amsterdam or

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Andrew Whitworth
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Amir E. Aharoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting empowered is not equal to learning English. The two are not equal, to be sure. But, at the risk of sounding pugilistic, I will say that there probably is a positive correlation between knowing a more popular

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Nathan
GerardM - what steps need to be taken to begin testing and adapting the UNICEF usability extensions? Where would be a good project to begin - perhaps the Simple English Wikipedia, if that community is amenable? That its in English might make development easier, and a more usable interface might

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread geni
2008/12/1 Fajro [EMAIL PROTECTED]: WTF??? Some people really need read more about cultural diversity Bible belt America does not share a culture with say Perth or indeed much of New York. and linguistic rights No such thing. Language can be a tool for control. With English this is hard.

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2008/12/1 Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Milos - you wrote: To be honest, I was thinking that the most useful Wikimedian project in Serbia is English Wikipedia, but I was wrong. Serbian Wikipedia is the most useful project, even it has ~30 times less articles than en.wp. Can I ask how you arrived

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/1 Ziko van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone who doubts about the deplorable state of, well, many language editions of Wikipedia, may have a look at this: http://pdc.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gleederoldid=25822 Gleeder That's hardly a good example - we're never going to have a good

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
Don't forget Esperanto. Since when has Esperanto been a global language? It was a failed attempt at creating one, that's all. There is very little point in anyone learning it except for the fun of it (if you enjoy that sort of thing). ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Finn Rindahl
@Pedro :Yep, it's a two way interaction that I believe benefits all projects (sort of human interwiki) @Thomas:Echo would be the English word, thanks. Ecco however is also correct eEnglish, ref. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_non-eEnglish_spelling_and_grammar_campaign. (Note to self:

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Dutch Wikipedia has passed 500.000 articles.. if a seven year old Dutch kid would be looking for a paard, the child would not get what we have in store when it asks for a horse in stead.. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=paardgo=Try+exact+match

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread geni
2008/12/1 Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hoi, The Dutch Wikipedia has passed 500.000 articles.. if a seven year old Dutch kid would be looking for a paard, the child would not get what we have in store when it asks for a horse in stead.. People use the search feature on commons? I would

Re: [Foundation-l] EN Wikipedia Editing Statistics

2008-12-01 Thread Brion Vibber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nathan wrote: Wow, someone had more than 10,000 edits in February of 2002. That's probably Conversion script. :) - -- brion -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you are to build a system that connects Wikipedia / Wiktionary etc articles to Commons, you are building a system that relies on the articles to exist in the languages you want to get the data from. So it is restricted to the data that you have in the projects. To build this data, I

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Delirium
Michael Finney wrote: Thank you for your comments. As a person who manages a small wiki project and two language forks from it, I found some of the comments very disturbing... almost frightening that such exist. Your comments re-affirm my confidence in the Wikimedia Foundation and its purpose.

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread geni
2008/12/1 Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What would be the technical requirements of this approach and what would be its disadvantages? It would require 1 bot and a copy of whichever wikis you wanted to work from. Just harvest all the links to commons and create those on commons as category

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Charlotte Webb
On 12/1/08, Andrew Whitworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To do the second task we would still want to create projects in small languages so we could write learning resources to teach people the big languages. I for one would enjoy learning resources targeted at those wishing to learn the smaller

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8

2008-12-01 Thread Comet styles
There are 732 editable wikis on Wikimedia and nearly all of them are active in some way. Just a year ago, these wikis were getting hit by loads of spambots and malbots and barely any community to fight them, but since then we have seen changes in smaller wikis. Apart from maybe 15-20 wikis, I can

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Marcus Buck
Gerard, it would be good, if you could add links to all the extension pages in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Uniwiki, which point to pages which use those extensions. There are links to two pages who use the Uniwiki package, but I was not able to find live examples of most of the

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Delirium
Fajro wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:08 PM, geni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. You can argue for the tolerance of minority languages but actively promoting them conflicts with Wikimedia's stated objectives. How? Do you edit wikipedia to give Free Access To All Human Knowledge only to the