Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The current policy is really objective; a request for a project will be honoured when it complies with a set of prerequisites. - is the language recognised as a language in the ISO-639-3 - is the language sufficiently unique - is there a sufficiently large corpus in the incubator

Re: [Foundation-l] Language codes to rename

2009-01-11 Thread Jon Harald Søby
2009/1/11 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com 2009/1/10 Cetateanu Moldovanu cetatean...@gmail.com: Hello, I want to wish you all a Happy New Year ! Also, I'd like to know what's the progress of renaming the subdomain mo to mo-cyrl mo.wikipedia.org - mo-cyrl.wikipedia.org, as was

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2009/1/11 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: When you talk about reasonable decisions, what is it that makes something reasonable? The fact that people like Mohamed consider Egyptian Arabic as ignorant makes clear their position, but is that reasonable ? The language committee has

Re: [Foundation-l] Language codes to rename

2009-01-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2009/1/11 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: Also, I'd like to know what's the progress of renaming the subdomain mo to mo-cyrl mo.wikipedia.org - mo-cyrl.wikipedia.org, as was stated in november last year, an important issue for us. For whom? Did they have an election and chose Mr.

Re: [Foundation-l] transparency or translucency?

2009-01-11 Thread Mike Godwin
James Rigg writes: As a member of the Wikimedia staff, using sarcasm - in both the post title and contents - against another contributor to the list isn't very professional. Please. I try to use my sarcasm professionally! People understand that freedom of speech does not mean that someone

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread Chad
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Why are so few community-developed mediawiki extensions used by the Foundation? Are people asking for them? Are there bugs open asking for review? Are there problems with the current code? Does it scale to WMF level?

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread David Gerard
2009/1/11 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: Keep in mind regarding my Semantic drum beating that I am not a developer of Semantic Mediawiki or Semantic Forms. I am just a user, and as Erik put it, an advocate. Semantic MediaWiki's syntax is disastrously horrible and intended for ontology

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread Brian
I believe this example is an even clearer demonstration of the usability disaster that is parser functions. And it is just the kind of thing that can be essentially snuck into MediaWiki without the complete community consensus. Perhaps that's not the case - I would be interested in reading a more

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Muhammad Alsebaey
Just an off topic, you do realize that me and the original poster of this thread are different people, right? I do ask because you kind of mixed our arguments in the last part of your post. The original poster probably has a more 'vivid' choice of words than I usually do :) . On Sun, Jan 11, 2009

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Muhammad Alsebaey
So, there are two conclusions: (1) I may imagine the process which had happened in relation to EA approval: no one made any serious objection and it passed. (2) There are two LangCom members introduced better in the linguistic issues, so the expertise level is raised and I think that it will

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This is not that strange. The time span for discussion is brief. Discussion is relevant until the moment when it is decided that a language is eligible. When a language is eligible, the people who work on a proposal have to fulfill the rest of the requirements but do so in the understanding

Re: [Foundation-l] transparency or translucency?

2009-01-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike Godwin mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote: People understand that freedom of speech does not mean that someone has the right to falsely shout 'fire' in a crowded cinema, but people also understand that calling an organisation transparent, when it is in fact

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-11 Thread Ray Saintonge
Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: A prize for best cross-media reuse of content - I love it. I will contribute to the prize pool one large gnu, and one piece of similarly huggable CC swag, signed by free-content luminaries To Be Named. --SJ How does

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread geni
2009/1/11 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: I see on Village Pump (technical) and wikitech-l, in addition to an associated talk page, that there was a vocal group of people who objected to parser functions and that they were ignored and the extension was enabled anyway. This is wikipedia. We

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I think there should be not only computer-linguists experts like Evertype in LangCom, but you desperately need people who have good knowledge about culture, sociology and history of the main language groups, or at

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-11 Thread geni
2009/1/11 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: With that comment you would certainly win a bobblehead of Richard Stallman if such a thing were available. This could be awarded for a single-minded devotion to whatever topic is at hand to an extent where all shmoos and tribbles march past

Re: [Foundation-l] Language codes to rename

2009-01-11 Thread geni
2009/1/11 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com: 2009/1/11 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: Also, I'd like to know what's the progress of renaming the subdomain mo to mo-cyrl mo.wikipedia.org - mo-cyrl.wikipedia.org, as was stated in november last year, an important issue for us. For

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/1/11 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: Granted, including full change histories is overkill Thanks for acknowledging this. The GFDL (including prior versions) deals with author names for three different purposes: * author credit on the title page; * author copyright in the copyright notices; *

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-11 Thread geni
2009/1/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: What we are left with, then, is to come up with attribution guidelines in the context of CC-BY-SA which are consistent with reasonable expectations and established practices for author credit per the GFDL. False. Read the CC-BY-SA again. Neither of

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/1/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/1/11 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: What we are left with, then, is to come up with attribution guidelines in the context of CC-BY-SA which are consistent with reasonable expectations and established practices for author credit per the GFDL. False.

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Sunday 11 January 2009 20:08:22 Brian wrote: pointed out, I would bet there's at least one template that uses a ParserFunction on 75% or more of all the articles on enwiki. MediaWiki effectively has a programming language in it because of a few hours of developer work and a few minutes of

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread Brian
Perhaps, do you have a link? :) On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: On Sunday 11 January 2009 20:08:22 Brian wrote: pointed out, I would bet there's at least one template that uses a ParserFunction on 75% or more of all the articles on enwiki.

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-11 Thread geni
2009/1/11 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: I don't understand, which terms don't appear and how is that relevant? CC-BY-SA allows authors to specify how they wish to be attributed, so we can (at least try to) choose a way that ought to be acceptable to people that have accepted the GFDL.

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Wikimania presentations of Alexandria are no longer online.. I am trying to find out if a backup exists.. Thanks, GerardM PS If you have a copy of the Merrick Schaeffer presentation, I would be happy to learn that you do.. 2009/1/11 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu Perhaps, do

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I think there should be not only computer-linguists experts like Evertype in LangCom, but you desperately need people who have good knowledge

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-11 Thread Brian
Thanks Gerard, could you also inquire about the year before? I remember them being in some obscure ftp directory, unlabeled. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, The Wikimania presentations of Alexandria are no longer online.. I am trying to

Re: [Foundation-l] Language codes to rename

2009-01-11 Thread Mark Williamson
I think most have more important things to worry about. Mark 2009/1/11 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/1/11 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com: 2009/1/11 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: Also, I'd like to know what's the progress of renaming the subdomain mo to mo-cyrl mo.wikipedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Chinese wikinews in China Blocked

2009-01-11 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/1/9 shi zhao shiz...@gmail.com: Today Chinese wikinews in China Blocked. GFW keyword is zh.wikinews.org. other wikinews can acess. Do we have a page somewhere listing exactly which sites of ours are blocked in China? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2009/1/11 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I think there should be not only computer-linguists experts like Evertype in LangCom, but you

Re: [Foundation-l] transparency or translucency?

2009-01-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/11 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: It's also misleading if one considers that the term transparency and the term freedom of speech are not comparable in this way. Absolute and complete freedom of speech is a good

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Mark Williamson
(oops, should be divergent) 2009/1/11 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com: Some Arabic varieties are more different than others. I would support a Wikipedia in Derja, for example (Maghrebi Arabic). Mark 2009/1/11 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: Marcus Buck wrote: In the Arabic world

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Marcus Buck
Tim Starling hett schreven: Marcus Buck wrote: In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic is something like Latin. With the difference, that Latin fell out of use to make place for the

Re: [Foundation-l] How to dismantle a language committee

2009-01-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: Tim Starling hett schreven: Marcus Buck wrote: In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic is something like Latin.