Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Thomas Dalton wrote: E-mail, once it let the military/academia, was a completely new thing, there wasn't anything like it before (the closest thing was telegrams, which charged by the word, could take a few hours to reach their destination and couldn't have attachments). Not even

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not sure if it'll catch on, because Google seems to have added so much extraneous crap into the mix Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but by just editing the person's message to add

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There was also Safari ... the message was modern browsers.. but this is for the reference implementation Google will build. It was also demonstrated that you can go as low as a command line tool for this.. Thanks, GerardM 2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org On Sat, May 30, 2009 at

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but by just editing the person's message to add your question in the middle of it.  How pissed would you be if someone did that on your User talk page? But

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: There was also Safari ... the message was modern browsers.. but this is for the reference implementation Google will build. It was also demonstrated that you can go as low as a command line tool for this..

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com: Thomas Dalton wrote:  E-mail, once it let the military/academia, was a completely new thing, there wasn't anything like it before (the closest thing was telegrams, which charged by the word, could take a few hours to reach their

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not sure if it'll catch on, because Google seems to have added so much extraneous crap into the mix Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but by

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Like replying in the middle of a message, not by quoting the original, but by just editing the person's message to add your question in the middle of

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: I hated the way it didn't seem to indicate what message you were replying to. For the most part, the conversation had a linear structure, not a tree one. They would reply to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Domas Mituzas
It's a great app, look at it the other way! finally someone implemented LiquidThreads! Cheers, Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I hated the way it didn't seem to indicate what message you were replying to. For the most

Re: [Foundation-l] IMPORTANT CHANGES: Information about 2009 Board of Trustees election

2009-05-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Hi all, As promised on this list, the election committee has revisited the election dates. The election pages have been updated to reflect new dates for this election: July 28 through August 10. It is our hope that this expanded voting time will serve to allay some of the concerns raised

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: A: What's your favorite color? B: I like red C: I like green D: Red and green?  Are you nuts?  Blue is the best color of all? A: I agree with B, red is definitely the nicest color. C: But isn't the wavelength of green so much more asthetically pleasing?

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Tim Starling
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: It's not free software. The blog post says they intend to open source the code. That generally means the code quality is so bad that they'd be embarrassed to make it public, and would like to clean

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/30 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: Milos Rancic wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: It's not free software. The blog post says they intend to open source the code. That generally means the code quality is so bad that they'd be

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The license has been published here... http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license Thanks, GerardM 2009/5/30 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org Milos Rancic wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: It's not free software. The blog post

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One of the things that I really appreciate is the decision by Google to create a reference implementation and the way they expect contributions to the protocol to be accompanied by working code implemented as a patch for the reference implementation. The reference implementation will as a

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Judson Dunn
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:58 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great idea and if it works it should be really useful, but it isn't world-changing and certainly isn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Judson Dunn
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: That would be great, but wouldn't it also mean the death of Google and pretty much any company which relies on web advertising to make money?  How do you make money off of P2P?  Software and data license fees, I guess, but is

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Judson Dunn
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/5/29 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet perception. You may read Slashdot article

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Michael Peel
Having just watched the talk/show/discussion/dancing, I agree completely with Steve's comments on wikien-l: On 29 May 2009, at 04:52, Steve Bennett wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQeurl=http%3A%2F% 2Fwave.google.com%2Ffeature=player_embedded (See from about 31:00 onwards

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Peter Coombe
2009/5/30 Judson Dunn cohes...@sleepyhead.org: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:58 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great idea and if it works it should be really useful, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Judson Dunn
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: The best description I've seen so far was FriendFeed... with benefits :-) Right, it's not entirely new, which is I think why some people are saying it isn't a big deal. The problem is, it's only not new for people

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Lars Aronsson
Judson Dunn wrote: I can't sell my luddite co-workers on the idea of a blog, or a wiki, but this is more obviously approachable. For more normal web users, there are obviously a lot of advanced uses as well. Google Wave combines many concepts, such as mail discussion threads, Twitter-like

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/5/31 Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se: The idea of showing diffs since the user last viewed the same wave, is very similar to Flagged revisions. How is it in any way like Flagged revisions? ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Brian
How does Google Wave help the WMF achieve its goals? Wikipedia has already become a dominant information source for the 1.5 billion people with Internet access thanks to Google. We need to focus on getting Wikipedia to the 5.2 billion people who can't access it. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM,

[Foundation-l] One Wikipedia Per Person (regarding the distribution of and the ability to read Wikipedia)

2009-05-30 Thread Brian
Given currently existing technology, and technology that we can reasonably assume to be available within the next decade, how can the WMF best achieve its goal of giving every person free access to our current best summary of all human knowledge? Consider that Google Translate has the best

Re: [Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

2009-05-30 Thread Judson Dunn
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Judson Dunn wrote: I can't sell my luddite co-workers on the idea of a blog, or a wiki, but this is more obviously approachable. For more normal web users, there are obviously a lot of advanced uses as well. Google Wave

Re: [Foundation-l] One Wikipedia Per Person (regarding the distribution of and the ability to read Wikipedia)

2009-05-30 Thread Foxy Loxy
It does sound like an excellent idea, but it does appear to require us teaming up with Google, a hardware vendor, a software vendor (the OS of course), a distributor and various governments that may or may not wish they people having access to 'forbidden' information. Assembling a chain of