DISCLAIMER: this is a delicate issue that could easily generate a flame. So
please everybody presume the good faith and stay on topic :-)
I don't really know if this issue as been discussed in earlier threads (I
subscribed to this list after Gdansk and the only pertinent thing I found is
here:
On 11 August 2010 12:37, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote:
DISCLAIMER: this is a delicate issue that could easily generate a flame. So
please everybody presume the good faith and stay on topic :-)
I don't really know if this issue as been discussed in earlier threads (I
subscribed
Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare step
into Israeli soil.
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:06:45 +0100
From: thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
On 11 August 2010 12:37,
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare
step into Israeli soil.
That's a pretty broad generalization - hopefully the organizing team
will still make every effort to include as many
Abbas: Let us not generalize; it is a complex and complicated matter
about the will/ability to visit Israel if you happen to be a resident
of an Arab or Muslim nation.
I believe the difficulty of getting a visa varies from one country
to another, but even with the help of the bidding team, an
What some people from the are afraid of is not entering Israel; but the
consequences of them entering Israel (eg being barred entry to Dubai as a
result of prior travel to Israel).
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:26:09 +0300
From: moushi...@gmail.com
Hi all,
Thanks for bringing this up - although I think this belongs on wikimania-l
and not necessarily here.
I believe we'll be posting a FAQ dedicated to these issues quite soon on our
website, http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org, as this matter has been brought
up a number of times already.
Israel is well aware of this situation, and offers the special
possibility of stamping not the passport but a separate page on entry
and exit, for any visitor that requests it (Westerners who work/travel
to countries like Iran will not want an Israeli stamp on their
passport).
As to visiting
Thanks Harel for your email..
On 8/11/10, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Israel is well aware of this situation, and offers the special
possibility of stamping not the passport but a separate page on entry
and exit, for any visitor that requests it
A confirmation for the possibility of
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare
step into Israeli soil.
Hey, isn't this already progress when they acknowledge the soil to be
Israeli? :)
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
What some people from the are afraid of is not entering Israel; but the
consequences of them entering Israel (eg being barred entry to Dubai as a
result of prior travel to Israel).
At least some states are offering
I think Moushira is right: as much as there are external threats (which are
being curbed in one way or another), it ultimately is a personal decision of
whether or not a person wants to go.
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:45:44 +0200
From: mathias.schind...@gmail.com
To:
I believe the difficulty of getting a visa varies from one country
to another, but even with the help of the bidding team, an issue will
remain unresolved, that is: Some countries do not allow persons with
an Israeli stamp on their passports, to enter their borders. The list
includes: Saudi
I absolutely agree that this is a complicated matter and would differ from
country to country. the thing is the foundations goal of expanding in the
global south does place some priority on the middle east, it would be
rather unfortunate that most of the people might not be able to make it to
the
Nathan wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare
step into Israeli soil.
That's a pretty broad generalization - hopefully the organizing team
will still make every effort to
I am curious if the Israeli embassies are going to be lenient in
mid-eastern
countries and are aware of the issue, do you have their support? I would
also like to ask about the stamp being on a separate page? doesnt the
Visa
have to be on the passport itself, are you talking about
two
Isn't there supposed to be a boycott?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jun/20/internationaleducationnews.highereducation
___
This is bullshit. There are always people who for instance never take an
air flight - should we also complain that
On 8/11/10, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:
I believe the difficulty of getting a visa varies from one country
to another, but even with the help of the bidding team, an issue will
remain unresolved, that is: Some countries do not allow persons with
an Israeli stamp on their
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy moushi...@gmail.com wrote:
(maybe the local team knows can provide a full and clear
list as well as confirmation on having a stamp on a separate paper
without restrictions?).
They do have this page on Wikimania2011wiki already:
Its from 2006 and its still the first time I ever read of such a boycott. I
agree with Yaroslav, its irrelevant.
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote:
Isn't there supposed to be a boycott?
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
Isn't there supposed to be a boycott?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jun/20/internationaleducationnews.highereducation
___
This is bullshit. There are always people who for instance never take an
air flight -
Again the thing is the difference between the two according to the visa
stamping info on the website, most of these countries- actually a lot of
countries are going to need a visa to enter israel regardless of their
relations. there is no way to get a visa on a separate paper, even if you
get a
Assess the following scenario:
If say, i'm in country X planning to go to Israel. And, i go apply for an
Israeli visa; but since i'm working in say, Dubai, the Israeli embassy stamps
my visa in a separate paper. I book my ticket to Haifa and go to the airport.
For me to board the airline, the
You are leading this into an ideological debate whoever you are, this is for
people interested in attending wikimania getting to attend wikimania-thats
it. whatever your beliefs are this is not the forum for it.
Troll elsewhere.
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:57 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk
Not to mention that the visa itself has to be on the passport and remain
there, no matter where the stamp goes.
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.comwrote:
Assess the following scenario:
If say, i'm in country X planning to go to Israel. And, i go apply for an
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:34:12 +, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Assess the following scenario:
If say, i'm in country X planning to go to Israel. And, i go apply for
an
Israeli visa; but since i'm working in say, Dubai, the Israeli embassy
stamps my visa in a separate paper. I
Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X,
from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the Middle
east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper. Since the country where he
works from isnt in good terms with Israel, he travels to
--- On Wed, 8/11/10, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk
wrote:
From: wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:54:00 +, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in
country
X, from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in
the
Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper. Since
On 11 August 2010 19:54, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X,
from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the
Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper. Since the
As explained on http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Visas, there
are various ways to attain a visa entry to Israel even if you live in
a country with no Israeli embassies.
Further to that, there are actually a lot of prominent countries from
which no visa is needed to enter Israel:
Birgitte SB wrote:
--- On Wed, 8/11/10, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk
wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
OH I was just pointing out that there is an academic
boycott of Israel, of course one is at liberty to break or not
participate in such, just like those who turned up at Sun City.
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X,
from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the
Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper. Since
On 11 August 2010 19:27, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
One has to decide where one stands on such issues, does one not?
I suggest ignoring the troll henceforth - this poster has only ever
joined threads on this list in order to try to derail them.
- d.
On 8/12/10, Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country
X, from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy moushi...@gmail.com wrote:
This is very constructive Mathias, however I prefer if we eliminate any
judgmental tone towards governments or societies or persons.
Agreed, we can leave that up to someone else. So back to the issue:
a) is there
David Gerard wrote:
On 11 August 2010 19:27, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
One has to decide where one stands on such issues, does one not?
I suggest ignoring the troll henceforth - this poster has only ever
joined threads on this list in order to try to derail them.
Ticket
Mathias Schindler, 11/08/2010 23:39:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy moushi...@gmail.com
wrote:
This is very constructive Mathias, however I prefer if we eliminate any
judgmental tone towards governments or societies or persons.
Agreed, we can leave that up to
My opinion is simple. Israel is not a good place to have such an
international event as Wikimania. I wouldn't vote for Israel, Saudi
Arabia, Iran, UAE and other countries that are hard for many people to
get into. Having such a conversation isn't the point of Wikimania. The
fact that a team is
On 12/08/10 01:09, Harel Cain wrote:
If someone
doesn't want to come to Israel, well, then, we can only express our regret
at his choice (which we think is misinformed). I wish they could all come
here and change their minds about Israeli reality.
I'd like to think I have an open mind, and
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Mathias Schindler, 11/08/2010 23:39:
a) is there anyone who wishes to participate but can't?
b) how do we find him/her in time to remove any obstacle as far as
humanly possible?
A centralnotice to ar wikis and
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Osama Khalid osa...@gnu.org wrote:
My opinion is simple. Israel is not a good place to have such an
international event as Wikimania. I wouldn't vote for Israel, Saudi
Arabia, Iran, UAE and other countries that are hard for many people to
get into. Having such
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Osama Khalid osa...@gnu.org wrote:
My opinion is simple. Israel is not a good place to have such an
international event as Wikimania. I wouldn't vote for Israel, Saudi
Arabia, Iran, UAE and
In Haifa and elsewhere in Israel, Arabs and Jews get along on a daily
basis just fine, daily reality is stronger than everything. They meet
at universities and workplaces and have friendly relationships - a
natural matter, really.
People, the Middle East is more complex and multifaceted than BBC
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
In Haifa and elsewhere in Israel, Arabs and Jews get along on a daily
basis just fine, daily reality is stronger than everything. They meet
at universities and workplaces and have friendly relationships - a
natural
Tim, I don't know how this has any direct bearing on the conference.
The conditions in the West Bank are not what anyone would wish them to
be, including, of course, us. I could try to argue here that still,
the average income there is higher than in most Arab countries and so
on, but this is
We will in fact be offering day trips on the last day of the
conference (August 7th). More information on our conference website.
Baqa or Nazlat 'Isa don't really make for interesting enough tourist
trips to warrant an organized tour to. I would suggest, as another
possibility in the West
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