[Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Lodewijk
Hi, I read from several posts that the process with the nominating committee did not work out at all. In the mean time the whole nominating committee (and therefore any formal procedure where non-board members, read: the community, have any say on who gets onto the board in the appointed seat). I

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 10:50 AM, Lodewijk wrote: I read from several posts that the process with the nominating committee did not work out at all. In the mean time the whole nominating committee (and therefore any formal procedure where non-board members, read: the community, have any say on who gets

[Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
Board has decided to make Closing projects [1] official. The text of the policy is below (as well as at the mentioned page). Language committee members who decided to take care about this would be listed inside of the section Tasks of the members list [2]. During the next weeks present requests

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Lodewijk
Hi, could someone perhaps explain why the board delegated closing policy to *individual language committee members*? Because as I read it, this advice to the board is given by one individual, even if the rest of the committee disagrees (there is a two week discussion but in the end it is a

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-25 Thread Isabell Long
Hi, On 25 Jun 2011, at 05:52, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: While preparing Missing Wikipedias [1], I've got numbers of speakers and languages by area and country with chapter not covered by Wikipedias. Fascinating! Thanks for the work! :-) Isabell.

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Lodewijk
2011/6/25 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com On 06/25/2011 11:20 AM, Lodewijk wrote: could someone perhaps explain why the board delegated closing policy to *individual language committee members*? Because as I read it, this advice to the board is given by one individual, even if the rest of

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 12:38 PM, Lodewijk wrote: As you may remember, the report was very long, and even though I speeded through it, I did not notice it since I wouldn't ever expect it there :) The fact you published it before doesnt make arguments less valid though. I think that the argument is valid

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Béria Lima
*Sj and Ting informed us that Board has agreed with the policy after the discussion. * If i understand right that was in Berlin. So the Board had 2 months to put that in a resolution, and didn't. That doesn't sound as a approval to me. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 12:49 PM, Béria Lima wrote: *Sj and Ting informed us that Board has agreed with the policy after the discussion. If i understand right that was in Berlin. So the Board had 2 months to put that in a resolution, and didn't. That doesn't sound as a approval to me. No, Ting has

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Béria Lima
So we should wait for a resolution no? Until there is only your word. PS: I'm not saying you are lying or anything, but that the final decision about that requires a Resolution. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 12:54 PM, Béria Lima wrote: So we should wait for a resolution no? Until there is only your word. PS: I'm not saying you are lying or anything, but that the final decision about that requires a Resolution. I don't think that it is needed because Board has the final word anyway,

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
Forwarding Deryk Chan's email and my response on his request. Original Message Subject: Re: [Internal-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:55:58 +0200 From: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com To: Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com On 06/25/2011 01:28

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-25 Thread Bishakha Datta
I posted this on the India list (many people are not subscribed to foundation-l) - forwarding this question which just popped up. Bishakha -- Forwarded message -- From: Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com Date: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l]

[Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-25 Thread Fred Bauder
The web itself is passé http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-facebook-vs-the-rest-of-the-web-2011-6 Actually, we missed the boat, but that ship sailed long ago. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Languages and numbers

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 03:11 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: I posted this on the India list (many people are not subscribed to foundation-l) - forwarding this question which just popped up. First of all, although numbers look fascinatingly precise, they are far from that. When you make a sum of

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Aaron Adrignola
I also agree that a resolution is needed. Two individuals don't speak for the whole board and I'm not willing to take your word on it. Up until now the community has had the say over which projects were closed through the proposals for closing projects and you throw out the statement that

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 04:32 PM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: I also agree that a resolution is needed. Two individuals don't speak for the whole board and I'm not willing to take your word on it. Up until now the community has had the say over which projects were closed through the proposals for closing

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 07:35 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: To clarify my position, I found the procedure as designed for handling appointed seats to be inherently unworkable. I don't think the procedures could have been followed during my service on the committee given the resources and time

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Marc Riddell
on 6/25/11 2:18 PM, Milos Rancic at mill...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/25/2011 07:35 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: To clarify my position, I found the procedure as designed for handling appointed seats to be inherently unworkable. I don't think the procedures could have been followed during my

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 25 June 2011 19:18, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: My general position is that Wikimedian community is diverse enough to fill expert seats from itself. You are probably right, but who would make the better board member: an average lawyer (or whatever) that's a Wikimedian or a top

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/25/2011 1:50 AM, Lodewijk wrote: Hi, I read from several posts that the process with the nominating committee did not work out at all. In the mean time the whole nominating committee (and therefore any formal procedure where non-board members, read: the community, have any say on who

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Having had the honor of being one of the first outside appointed board member to the Wikimedia Board I do want to add that one of the main reasons for having appointed members is to get an outsiders perspective. This is generally considered good practice. Basically the idea behind this is

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Hi Having had the honor of being one of the first outside appointed board member to the Wikimedia Board I do want to add that one of the main reasons for having appointed members is to get an outsiders perspective. This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Hi Having had the honor of being one of the first outside appointed board member to the Wikimedia Board I do want to add that one of the main reasons for

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-25 Thread George Herbert
Actually, Facebook's losing members this year, not gaining, in the US / North American market. Not that this is relevant to the WMF. The great thing about the web writ large is that everyone can participate in the things they chose to. Facebook's popularity is orthogonal to WMF participation /

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Jun 25, 2011, at 6:46 PM, George Herbert wrote: How do I manage the political factions on ANI or an Arbcom case on english language Wikipedia to deal with this policy / behavior problem is something that very few *insiders* can do well... That's not the board's job though, and misses

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The general observation that we should be easier for everyone to edit is reasonable, and that doing that and more outreach would help the rest of the world contribute more effectively. (I did in fact see this in my previous email, but forgot to erase the line about you missing my point, as

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/25/2011 08:33 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 25 June 2011 19:18, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: My general position is that Wikimedian community is diverse enough to fill expert seats from itself. You are probably right, but who would make the better board member: an average