Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-04 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, as I mentioned in a response to Liam the other day, we've been working on having org charts generated in a more automatic, scalable form. ... Thank you for that. On a meta-question that raises - there are a lot

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-04 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: Has this been an observed issue within the WMF? In some areas. In my view, a well-functioning agile team is self-organizing and self-managed

Re: [Foundation-l] sad news

2012-03-15 Thread George Herbert
Very sad, I met him and he seemed to be a very good guy. Seems to be a bad week; a friend of mine from college passed on Sunday morning. Focus on big things and have fun while you're here. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2012, at 19:42, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] Will Beback

2012-03-12 Thread George Herbert
I would almost like to simply +1 here, but... Without delving into the specifics here, or concluding either way as to the current case lacking actual evidence in front of me, it is a real and quite serious problem if we don't hold senior and longtime editors to account for abuses they may

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-21 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Fred Bauder writes: I think it probably seems to climate change deniers that excluding political opinions from science-based articles on global warming is a violation of neutral point of view, and of basic fairness. That

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-21 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: If the answer to one is yes, then These things happen is an explanation but not an excuse, and should be a prompt to help us all get better

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-21 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I should add a response on this point: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: The post-facto probability of 1.0 that the researcher was in fact professional, credible, and by all

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

2012-02-09 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: As said above...it is being moved ;p Where / on which lists were the location experiments discussed prior to implementation? Both with regards to the locations to be tested and to the pages to test on? -- -george

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Hi George, The push came about after the IRC office hours. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-01-12 After ongoing review of the IRC thread, on-wiki threads, mailing lists etc... I think

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 January before any close. No, there was informal discussion going back into December. The discussion - the concrete, date-attached specific policy and

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:02 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16

[Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-17 Thread George Herbert
I would normally start by floating this on wikien-L or on-wiki at the usual places, but the time for that has passed and thus I am going to drop this on the Foundation, who I believe are responsible for the particular problem here. On the English language Wikipedia, there has been a longstanding

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia's secret wikis

2011-12-30 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: I see following wikis hold secred information: http://internal.wikimedia.org http://office.wikimedia.org http://board.wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can NOT freely share in the sum of all

Re: [Foundation-l] Loriot: Please read carefully what I wrote

2011-11-11 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg gives not sufficient reasons for the decisions and no sufficient

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-12 Thread George Herbert
I am seeing a lot of lack of support from WMF for these smaller projects but not being a smaller projects editor I don't know what specific issues there are. Can someone up on the situation send out more specifics? Thank you. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:13 PM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 August 2011 13:47, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 August 2011 13:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: My point is that making it easy to fork does not create good competitors. Good competitors come

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: Hi Having had the honor of being one of the first outside appointed board member to the Wikimedia Board I do want to add that one of the main reasons for

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-25 Thread George Herbert
Actually, Facebook's losing members this year, not gaining, in the US / North American market. Not that this is relevant to the WMF. The great thing about the web writ large is that everyone can participate in the things they chose to. Facebook's popularity is orthogonal to WMF participation /

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-22 Thread George Herbert
I would like to personally thank the WMF staff and board for having pursued this. Good luck. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yesterday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed an amicus (friends of the court) brief in Golan v. Holder, a

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-04 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:00 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 June 2011 15:42, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I think it's a fairly dangerous precedent to have the Wikimedia Foundation involved in

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/11 00:44, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:11, Neil Harrisn...@tonal.clara.co.uk  wrote: Tape is -- still -- your friend here. Flip the write-protect after writing, have two sets of off-site tapes,

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.loks...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Scott MacDonald wrote: Imagine if poetlister now engages in identity theft and deception at Wikiversity.

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is

Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

2011-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: The privacy policy does not preclude releasing private emails, and even writes in specific exceptions. When raised on en.wiki in relation to releasing CheckUser information (in that case linking an IP to an

Re: [Foundation-l] Stalking on Wikipedia

2011-05-22 Thread George Herbert
, ציטוט George Herbert: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Dror Kamirdqa...@bezeqint.net  wrote: Hello, I found an email today from someone who still cares to keep me updated about what happens on the English Wikipedia's corridors. Since my name is mentioned in the discussion, he thought I'd

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I am preparing document for Wikimania. Presently, I am in process of analyzing data (SIL [1], Ethnologue [2], Wikimedia projects). I am using Ethnologue data for population estimates. Before I started this task, I thought

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: (excellent long form work) Thank you, Milos. Very informative. Out of curiosity - I assume those are the native speakers counts for that language. Do we have exclusive speakers counts as well? I don't know for sure what

Re: [Foundation-l] Stalking on Wikipedia

2011-05-21 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Dror Kamir dqa...@bezeqint.net wrote: Hello, I found an email today from someone who still cares to keep me updated about what happens on the English Wikipedia's corridors. Since my name is mentioned in the discussion, he thought I'd be interested in this.

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-05 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:22 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: On 5 April 2011 03:02, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Another example might be an UploadWizard that is focused on ensuring that Wikimedia fulfills its Multimedia grant requirements rather than

Re: [Foundation-l] Dario Taraborelli joins Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-31 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear all, it is my pleasure to announce that Dario Taraborelli (User:DarTar) is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as Senior Research Analyst, Strategy, reporting to me. As of this week, Dario is based in San Francisco,

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:45 PM, The Mono m...@mono.x10.bz wrote: The problem is simple. Our top contributors leave. Because the way things work makes it simply intolerable. *25%* of all respondents [in a survey of contributors] said they stopped contributing because *Some editors made

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 3/28/11 5:20 PM, MZMcBride wrote: There's a theory that doing something like editing a free online encyclopedia is a niche activity,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation has been prosecution in HK / 維基媒體基金會在香港被起訴

2011-03-25 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt there is any way the court in question can enforce its ruling, which is probably why the WMF didn't bother responding. subscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I am sort of curious

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:18 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2011/3/15 SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com: Speaking of the CREDO accounts, several people have asked that their accounts be reassigned, but they

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-15 Thread George Herbert
not opening it up to the world in general, which is a matter of some concern to most of them. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:18 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Erik Moeller e

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 March 2011 09:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: [...] David, I strongly object to your continued twisting of my words, and your personal crusade to turn the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee into a personal

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread George Herbert
This is getting kind of stuck on the specifics of BLPs being separated (or not). Can we step back and address the generic idea again. A restatement of the intended benefits and advantages of splitting the project would be appreciated. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-08 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 March 2011 00:23, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote: Lead Architect for the next generation MediaWiki platform I'd really like to hear more about that. Did I miss something or is this a new

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-08 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, THURNER rupert rupert.thur...@wikimedia.ch wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 21:50, Juergen Fenn juergen.f...@gmx.de wrote: Am 08.03.11 21:36, schrieb Andrea Zanni: AFAIK, these publishers make the pricing upon the number of scholars/researchers/students of a

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jon Davis w...@konsoletek.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 07:59, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: What about hurricanes? ; ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_hurricane_%28pre-1900%29_tracks.jpg Maybe that's why the new Datacenter is being built in

Re: [Foundation-l] Missing Wikipedians: An Essay

2011-02-18 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:00 PM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:17 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 February 2011 23:24, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: Heather Ford, a former Wikimedia advisory board member and researcher/writer in South Africa has

Re: [Foundation-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread George Herbert
Thank you for this. Will ops staff be monitoring wikitech-l for email reports of observed problems from those of us who are IRC-impaired? Is there an another preferred non-IRC channel for reports? Thanks. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone,

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:51 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 12:47, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/1/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: The idea of getting samizdat copies of Wikipedia into Egypt appeals. Airlift in current-article

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: Split permissions have been a perennial issue for en.wikipedia for a while. It's proposed every couple months, has vocal support and a handful of even more vocal opponents, and fillibustered into oblivion to

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-17 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/1/16 Joseph Seddon seddonw...@gmail.com I am going to be quite frank and say that it is pointless to have this discussion on this list. Only a fraction of the english wikipedia community are on it. If

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for assistance

2011-01-05 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado v...@fct.unl.pt wrote: Is this supposed to be funny? Time to address this matter to the list moderators. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado Neither of these was funny; both were backhanded insults to you. That said - I am not sure

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2010 16:54, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: Not only is the current markup a barrier to participation, it's a barrier to development. As I argued on Wikien-l, starting over with a markup that

Re: [Foundation-l] Ring of Gyges

2010-11-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: For added self-referentiality, you can't read this article unless you identify yourself to the NYT. I was able to read the article without

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/17  wjhon...@aol.com: Obama is exactly half-black and half-white. Funny how he is African American but of course he is equally Caucasian American Which shows only hot dangerous political correctness can get. I

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
Ah, bueno. I was unaware of the Kartika version; excellent that the Foundation's already figured it out and was working on it. Thanks, Philippe and MzMcBride. Good job to whoever thought it up earlier and did the test run. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Philippe Beaudette

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-26 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: There's a place for applied engineer hubris[1]. With due caution. - d. [1] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/engineers%20and%20woo (grump) While generally true, there's a lack of regard there for engineering-oriented

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Robert S. Horning robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: On 10/23/2010 03:42 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: If at any moment it can be stood on its head then the information contained in the articles can never be authoritative. Suppose I have a calculator

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:38 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 16:26, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 15:59, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: And where there is a body of scholarly research, the peer-reviewed scholarly

Re: [Foundation-l] Ban and moderate

2010-10-22 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: Has either of these persons, Greg or Peter, been destructive of the substance of the Project: the body of the Encyclopedia? Yes, in my opinion. Both were banned from English language Wikipedia and (I believe) other

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-14 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote: ... In summary, Wikipedia is hardly making a dent.  Where it is making a dent, it is by cheapening the product.  No win all round. Broadening, not cheapening. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-05 Thread George Herbert
NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some very touchy real-world issues. The naming of mo.wikipedia and its use of Cyrillic were particularly unfortunate, as the Moldovan standard alphabet is Roman, the

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-05 Thread George Herbert
October 2010 04:11, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some very touchy real-world issues. The naming of mo.wikipedia and its use of Cyrillic were

Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27

2010-09-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: From: Risker risker...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia mirrors

2010-09-16 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:58 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: John Vandenberg, 16/09/2010 03:00: English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Portugeuse, Swedish and Chinese Wikipedia all appear to have

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote: Risker In 2005, the English Wikipedia had less than half the number of articles it has now. Hs anyone made a serious study of what these articles actually contain? Yes. But not across all articles. Anyone can

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/7, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. The

Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive

2010-08-24 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the Archive's on-demand service: http://archive-it.org That would be the most reliable way to set up the partnership emijrp proposes.  And it's certainly a good idea.  Figuring out how to make it work for almost

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-02 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-23 Thread George Herbert
Meta-question - Is there in fact sufficient evidence that this is a topic that the Foundation must, or should, engage in actively at this time? I know why the Foundation has an inclination to get involved - people ask about it, and some very uncomfortable stuff finds its way into Commons and the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

2010-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: Terrified. For that reason, I actually did not unveil my country-of-origin to the Board until a few weeks ago. That is one of Canadians' special skills: we can walk amongst Americans, and they are completely unaware :-) That's

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard writes: Hoi, When I read:  Wikisource content in the French language targets the French public, and therefore, under French conflict of laws principles, the copyright law of France applies to this content. I do read

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will take OFFICE ACTION. It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

2010-05-13 Thread George Herbert
2010/5/13 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2010/5/13 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com: As you maybe now, after the sudden death of Lech Kaczynski (jn airjet crash in Smolens) we have now fast presidential election. One of the most serious candidates Bronisław Komorowski was cached with printed copy

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-12 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: [...] However, I also see the issue from another frame that is not part of Tim's spectrum.  Sexual photographs, especially those of easily recognized people, have the potential to exploit or embarrass the people in them.  I

Re: [Foundation-l] Filtering ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2010 22:32, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Can you point me to major media entities that have accepted the notion that Fox News

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:31 PM, robert_horn...@netzero.net robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com No, it won't. People have been saying that for years and the fact remains that a screen full of a text with a few

Re: [Foundation-l] Essay

2010-04-21 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Your email is a bit too black and white: There are important articles in Humanities, not just in exact sciences, and a Bob Dylan album is arguably a touch more important than a South Park episode. But in

Re: [Foundation-l] Chris Clayton

2010-04-19 Thread George Herbert
There's been an unusually aggressive set of these this spring; one of my accounts got hijacked for a week before I noticed it, and a friends' gmail account as well. Sigh. -george On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: Alex Mr.Z-man wrote: http://www  

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-31 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: George Herbert wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Godwin mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote: [...] And therefore if the Wikimedia logos are used with permission on Wikimedia-hosted projects, the earth

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/30 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: That is the website UI, which is not content.  They could say that the UI should also be completely free of copyrighted works.  IMO that would be going overboard. If that

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Godwin mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote: [...] And therefore if the Wikimedia logos are used with permission on Wikimedia-hosted projects, the earth will crack open, and dogs and cats will start living together openly. Please stop using this example. You're

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihanni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, After a long and tiring discussion on the Swedish Wikipedia Village Pump ( http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bybrunnen#Wikimedialoggor_i_artiklar), the logos of the Wikimedia Foundation projects

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Marcus Buck wrote: The Swedish Wikipedia decision is consequent and logical. Logos are copyrighted. Copyrighted material cannot be included. So no logos. It's plain and simple. The problem is not the reasonable decision

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:03 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: George Herbert wrote: If this was the English Wikipedia, the response would be somewhere between please do not be silly and Stop this or we will block you for disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point ( [[WP:DISRUPT]] ). Read

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on global bans)

2010-03-25 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 March 2010 02:51, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Gregory Kohs wrote: Point of clarification... does Jimmy Wales have the authority to impose a global ban on a user? Yes, Jimmy has always had such rights, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on global bans)

2010-03-25 Thread George Herbert
support... On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a number

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-04 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: Dan Rosenthal wrote: You've identified one of the criticisms of OCILLA/DMCA -- that it can be easily abused by copyright holder to keep stuff offline. (This is what the EFF is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedic OCD

2010-02-19 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Some books are very productive in that way, if you have time to add each interesting fact to the encyclopedia. TV is a bit awkward to reference, at least routinely. Fred Does anyone else suffer from this problem,

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-30 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: The hand in hand with children wording seems to conflate physical space with cyberspace.  Please see my relevant reply to George William Herbert. There's a known and ancedotally (but not known to be statistically)

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-30 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: The hand in hand with children wording seems to conflate physical space with cyberspace. How about collaborating with children? That's accurate, but I'm not quibbling over terminology.  As I explained to George, my

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-29 Thread George Herbert
Without picking on anyone in particular, I urge everyone to go back and reread Brad's comment earlier. This conversation is following the path that public discussions on this have repeatedly before. It is not clear that anyone has raised any issues which are appropriate or necessary for the

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-28 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Jake Wartenberg j...@jakewartenberg.com wrote: I am not talking about pedophilia activism, but instances where the individual in question is not disruptively editing. There are a wide variety of reasons to permanently block people who were elsewhere identified

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-28 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: This is the risk that we run when we begin banning editors because we dislike beliefs and behaviors unrelated to their participation in the wikis.  We might avoid some negative attention that would accompany their

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-26 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:54 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/26/2009 3:39:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, valde...@gmail.com writes: The final solution is that only people who are already expert in the processes can impose their point of view and in fact en.wikipedia don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

2009-11-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: As is often stated WMF is an ISP, and not a publisher. Stating it often doesn't make it true.  The WMF is quite clearly a publisher.  It even has

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

2009-11-18 Thread George Herbert
There are a number of problems with these statements. One - the Foundation exists to host and legally protect the encyclopedia, not direct it in all matters. Most policy flows up rather than down. Things which would grossly embarrass or endanger the encyclopedia are an exception, but no good

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: [...] Few to no Wikipedia articles point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. I believe that there's a policy determination that Wikinews is not a Wikipedia Reliable Source as defined in [[WP:RS]], so not having pointers

Re: [Foundation-l] Charity Navigator rates WMF

2009-10-08 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/8 Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com: Despite an overall three-star rating (out of four), WMF was only rated two stars for Organization Efficency.  This is described by Charity Navigator as Meets or nearly

Re: [Foundation-l] Charity Navigator rates WMF

2009-10-08 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/8 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com: Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a little training each year.  And then a disaster hits and they drop everything and respond

[Foundation-l] CTO role (Was: Re: Priorities and opportunities)

2009-09-16 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/9/16 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: Putting aside the unnecessary bad faith and challenges to the foundation's integrity:   I find this all exciting - planning for significant tech budget support, possible major

Re: [Foundation-l] Security holes in Mediawiki

2009-09-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Gregory Kohs thekoh...@gmail.com wrote: I was sort of surprised to learn today that Mediawiki software has had 37 security holes identified: http://akahele.org/2009/09/false-sense-of-security/ Are most of these patched now, or are they still open?  If still

Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-26 Thread George Herbert
My two cents - The Board telegraphed this ahead of time, not the particulars (who/when) but the generalities. The process is not unusual for other charitable organizations. There are more community members (active or ex) on the Board than any other category. There still will be even if all the

Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-25 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gregory Kohsthekoh...@gmail.com wrote: *Jan-Bart de Vreede said: * the next year will be crucial for us as an organization in determining our long term strategy. But that process is shaped by YOU. The tremendous strategy project (details at

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-12 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops side - it's not well documented now (I

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/7/09 3:39 PM, James Forrester wrote: 2009/8/7 Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org: On 8/7/09 3:06 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: It's not just about resumes, it's also about being taken seriously when communicating with others.

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