Erik Moeller wrote:
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Are there any other consequences of a list rename?
You will feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of
voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
:D
A few pages
members respond to direct follow-up questions regarding
specific votes that community members are interested in (on the mailing list
or on Meta-Wiki) would be more useful.
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Experiments are acceptable... sometimes.
MZM, I didn't expect you to become the voice of conservatism!
I cannot agree with your premise that experiments are somehow
'optional' or new. Experimentation
to have shifted and it's now all about adding
people to build a movement. Is this the right approach, though?
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on quantity) is overshadowing the arguably more important goal of
improving the content (a focus on quality)?
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, but is the alternative (allowing their
spammy page to sit around for a while) an acceptable cost for the potential
benefit?
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Zack Exley wrote:
MZMcBride wrote:
I was thinking more about this today and how it somewhat relates to you and
your previous work at MoveOn.org.
Mandatory voting laws look great on paper: increased democratic and civic
participation, a more involved and engaged citizenry, etc. But there's
birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Sue Gardner wrote:
Everybody knows that reversing stagnating/declining participation
in Wikimedia's projects is our top priority.
Thank you for sharing this.
How much discussion has there been
or years. I'm not sure what
you're talking about.
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to Jobvite. Adding a footer might be nice,
but if the user doesn't consent to Jobvite's privacy policy, simply reading
wikimediafoundation.org has already sent their data to the other server,
correct? In my mind, that means a footer or additional warning text is
insufficient.
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Indeed. I've commented out the iframe for now while discussion continues.
Once there's a clearer understanding of the implications of using this code
and whether this particular third-party's policy is compatible with
Wikimedia's.
I say compatible as it's a passive read
/wiki/Privacy_policy
* http://recruiting.jobvite.com/privacy-policy.php
I don't know the answer, but I imagine someone will be along in short order
to clarify.
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, Wikiquote, Wikispecies, Wikisource, etc. there.
I guess it would be less sad for them.
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) was incredibly weak. You'd be
surprised what kinds of domains are registered where. :-)
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MZMcBride wrote:
Kat: Thank you for weighing in. I know many people appreciated hearing from
you, Phoebe, and some of the other big voices who have commented here. And
I think some of the replies in this thread have gone a long way to helping
ease some tensions and create better dialogue
trying to fork a Wikimedia wiki. Be reasonable, please.
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types of monarch, etc.
Interesting. :-) I encourage everyone to take a look at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Brainstorming and
chime in.
Beyond wanting to drop the list a note about Niabot's idea, I also just
meant to ask the question that MZMcBride asked above. What
software implementation) without needing
to bother Board members. ;-)
Any ideas on implementing something like that? I'm not sure how many other
high-level projects there are, even. Any guidance on this would be great and
appreciated.
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a project
status page somewhere with updated info, feel free to just link that.)
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P.S. I'm always fascinated by cases where there's an extreme contrast
between how seemingly innocuous the search term is and how explicit the
search results are. I think my current favorite case is the search
Oliver Keyes wrote:
MZMcBride wrote:
At a minimum, the tab needs to be moved to the sidebar side so that it's out
of the way. There's no feedback that you're soliciting that's so important
that it should stand in the way of reading an infobox or other actual page
content.
As said above
on Friday for office hours to discuss
the new Legal and Community Advocacy Department. Details for the IRC chat
can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours.
A political (lobbying?) arm of Wikimedia? And the Wikimedia community and
Board have said they're okay with this?
MZMcBride
Philippe Beaudette wrote:
MZMcBride wrote:
A political (lobbying?) arm of Wikimedia? And the Wikimedia community and
Board have said they're okay with this?
I'm not really sure where you get that, MZ. Politics and lobbying were not
mentioned at all.
What was mentioned was advocacy
of the gun rather than
leaving it loaded on the table. I don't foresee a lot of good coming from
this (predictable) step by the Wikimedia Foundation, but I do foresee quite
a lot of bad. Politics has awesome power... it quite often tears
organizations apart.
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The English Wikipedia has become one of those sites with a feedback tab?
Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Russell_Burnham.
How did this happen?
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of reading an infobox or other actual page
content.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/06/opinion/steal-this-column.html
Some readers may find this interesting; it doesn't seem to have hit this
list.
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is pretty good reading.
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going anywhere for the most
part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking?
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Béria Lima wrote:
On 1 February 2012 21:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Béria Lima wrote:
Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to
elect the Chapter seats. Say that nobody knows is a bit offensive.
SEVERAL pages on Meta-Wiki? It's a wonder they haven't
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Thanks for the insight here. :-) Much appreciated.
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posterity.
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[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-June/054040.html
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=78986oldid=78985
[3] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors
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comment sections are filled with vile language (if people are
paying viewing the content) or spam (if people aren't).
It's certainly a reasonable idea for a MediaWiki extension, if such an
extension doesn't exist already.
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will
undoubtedly need to be tweaked first.
Thoughts?
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(that is from Wikipedia to OSM) will be impossible after the change,
right?
You really ought to include links or at least spell out what you're talking
about in (opening) posts. ODbL FAQ on the OSM website kind of made my head
spin, and I knew two of the three.
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edits. Overall pretty good. :-)
Using your tagging, it might be easier to clarify
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Policies#Policies.
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; Board -- everyone; staff
-- staff; staff -- everyone(!).
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-approved and Otherwise. Then I
considered splitting between Staff-related, Contributor-related,
Meetings-related, etc., but I wasn't so sure how many of these policies
actually (allegedly) apply to contributors (e.g., the whistleblower policy).
Any thoughts on this?
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, newspapers, or other cultural or political institutions
joined this effort? Is there any concern about further damage to Wikipedia's
reputation and credibility as an academic resource when it behaves in the
same manner as sites like Reddit and I Can Has Cheezburger?
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at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action.
Not sure why there's a vote. Or why, if you're going to have a vote, you'd
use MediaWiki...
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track trademark usage. I think it fell by the wayside when
Mike left the Wikimedia Foundation and any work on it has mostly stopped. A
bit more info here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TradeTrack.
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products, though.
More info here:
https://easylist.adblockplus.org/blog/2010/11/16/wikimedia-fundraising-banne
rs
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explicitly). It's an interesting dichotomy between the extension's stated
goal of trying to attract new users and the extension's past (and present?)
interface that encourages self-identified expert commentary, isn't it?
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[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback#Version_3
[2
who are able and willing to donate a few minutes to
look over and clean up the draft would be greatly appreciated.
Sometime in early 2012, a finalized version will be sent to the Wikimedia
Board for approval.
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Why is the banner so visually unattractive? Is the English Wikipedia being
punished?
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, there are very good reasons
for doing so. Whether or not that's the case, I wouldn't look (closely or
broadly) at the comments on this mailing list and try to divine
community-wide views.
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staff and other resources. I don't think
this has been done at this point, so the ball is in its court.
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is generally based on looking at titles. I don't suppose
you'd want a gallery of hidden images, but it would make filter-list editing
easier, heh.
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emphasized.
This criticism is not specific to the mobile team, or even necessarily as
relevant there as it is to some of the WMF's other activities.
I generally don't like +1 posts, but wow, well said, Dominic.
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during the normal time
periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :).
Using 00:00 or 24:00 is strongly discouraged (some people go so far as to
say that these times don't exist), as they create unnecessary confusion.
Please use 23:59 or 00:01 in the future. :-)
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working for me.
It's harmless enough though, I just choose to ignore it.
A user preference or some other way of disabling the use of WikiLove on a
per-user basis might be nice. Similar to an e-mail's unsubscribe feature.
I'm not sure if there's a bug filed about this already.
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divide between the two
organizations. There's been talk (more than talk, really) of Wikimedia
working with Wikia on projects such as the parser rewrite, as it serves both
organizations' interests. That's true, to be sure, but the costs of further
close collaboration may outweigh any benefit.
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of the
founding editors of Wikipedia were women, I don't know how many people know
that.
What license(s) will the book be released under?
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/Timeline. If anyone
finds a link, please post it there.
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of meta-wiki where people from the Wikimedia
projects could come together and discuss brainstorming ideas for a workable
filter...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Brainstorming
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MZMcBride wrote:
Sue Gardner wrote:
Oh. I can speak to this, at least a little. The Wikimedia Foundation has a
policy of publishing our grant applications when the grantmaking institution
is okay with it. We don't do a lot of grant applications, and of the ones we
do, I am guesstimating
(with cites, as necessary and
appropriate). :-)
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the gravest consequences. As a PHP
developer, I would've thought you would know this better than anyone.
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/receives and the grants Wikimedia administers/doles out would be
cool.)
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Hi.
I asked about this a few days ago, but I don't think anyone ever responded.
Are the grant agreements that the Wikimedia Foundation enters into posted
anywhere? If so, where? If not, could someone post them, please?
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Stanton-type grants. Sorry for the confusion.
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to find an image of a cucumber or pearl
necklace in Commons is a pragmatic question. Users should be able to tailor
their user experience to their needs.
Brainstorming for a workable solution, now ongoing:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Brainstorming.
MZMcBride
phoebe ayers wrote:
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:10 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
On 9 October 2011 14:18, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 October 2011 13:55, Ting Chen tc...@wikimedia.org wrote:
The majority of editors who responded
the filter ON, and decide they
have better things to do than to edit-war over whether such a user will need
to click on the image to see it, or not.
Yes, because rational thought like that is a hallmark of wiki discussions.
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the
Wikimedia (editing) community would be great. There are a lot of creative
people who love Wikimedia projects. A few tweets or status updates calling
for banner submissions might go a long way... assuming people can figure out
Meta-Wiki.
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Hi.
With nudging from Kim, I've started a subpage at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Brainstorming to
brainstorm ideas for a workable solution to dealing with controversial
content on Wikimedia wikis.
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march forward,
unabated! letter from the Board.
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Hope that helps,
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P.S. Your e-mail client is wrapping lines at rather odd spots, BTW.
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for new editors, and an improved mobile experience for readers and editors.
Is the grant restricted or unrestricted? (Is there a copy of the agreement
somewhere?)
Apologies if this is obvious or already stated elsewhere. I couldn't figure
it out.
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do more harm than good?
I think it makes more sense to focus on these questions, rather than
inventing silly tales.
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, but it's a start:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content_timeline.
I'd forgotten all about Toby. That was largely a joke, wasn't it?
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implementation because Wikimedia put one forward. Why does your post make it
sound as though this is surprising or unexpected?
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on the part of the Board, a very small
body of individuals whose primary objective is to protect the projects.
Instead, they chose this?
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about any of them as
part of their work? I don't know of any. And, back to the original thought:
are there any Wikimedia initiatives to specifically (or primarily) improve
any of these sister projects? I also don't know of any.
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Is there a single staffer who's even thinking about any of them as
part of their work? I don't know of any. And, back to the original thought:
are there any Wikimedia initiatives to specifically
long
either side is willing to wait.
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, older versions of images, deleted images, math renderings, etc. The
sanest solution probably involves mailing a hard drive to someone and then
having them mail it back.
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at this point. It's going to take X hours of development and
Y hours of testing in order to produce Z. Not knowing any of the three
variables makes accurate predicting fairly difficult, I think. :-) Plus you
have to factor in (or factor out, maybe) volunteer resources, rewrites, etc.
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to consider as well. For example, would you
consider the time and resources that went into the mock-ups as part of the
referendum costs?
I agree that a proper report would be nice, but I don't see it realistically
happening, for a variety of reasons.
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. This page serves to document these instances.
[/quote]
If anyone knows of any other bugs/requests, please feel free to list them.
As the page notes, these rejections are rare, but in my opinion they offer a
fascinating look into the Wikipedia power structure.[1]
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[1] http
. A classic example of this
reality, incidentally, is the GoogleNewsSitemap extension fiasco on the
English Wikinews.
I'll echo others in wishing you all the best of luck going forward. I
sincerely hope whoever administers your new site will treat you better than
Wikimedia has.
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From Wikimedia's perspective, I think this is one down, several hundred to
go. Wikimedia has made it clear that its singular focus is the English
Wikipedia. All other Wikipedias are peripheral; all other
impressive, but beyond those, there isn't much to speak of after seven years
online.
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for volunteering to clarify some of my confusion. :-)
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The current reality is that nearly any
project besides the English Wikipedia has almost no technical support.
That's a misunderstanding of what's happening.
I would characterize WMF's prioritization
is
pretty damning.
When the Wikimedia Foundation places the English Wikipedia on a pedestal and
treats all other wiki projects/families as peripheral, it's not at all
unexpected that occasionally people will vent frustration at this.
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not Wikimedia's place to say who should and shouldn't have access to the sum
of all human knowledge and what particular pieces of it constitute (graphic
violence, pornography, etc.).
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/Wikipedia. Have you done much work on
MediaWiki or worked with the replicated databases at all (particularly the
databases of the larger sites)? An outside voice is great, but yours comes
off as rather naïve.
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directly, but asking the list, I suppose.
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viewpoint or particular phrases. Is there any plan to monitor this?
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Anyone know of other active ones?
It'd be great if you could start a list of these accounts on Meta-Wiki.
Microblogging accounts or something.
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expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of good
photos (similar to Flickr), could be cool.
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Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
MZMcBride wrote:
Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think like or +1
should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that
expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of
good photos (similar to Flickr), could
there is, but I wouldn't be able to locate it off-hand.
* Have any chapters been asked to give money back? If so, what has been the
response?
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please try to honor the
transparency and accountability that Wikimedia was founded upon and discuss
this on the public list?)
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about
what they are doing, but WMF does not have a policy status over that.
Do you know if there's a chart listing how much money each chapter received
(or earned) from the past fundraiser? Is there a list of the chapters that
were involved, at least?
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on the referenced talk page in a moment.
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