Marcus Buck wrote:
Tim Starling hett schreven:
Marcus Buck wrote:
In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
is something like Latin. With the difference, that Latin fell out of
2009/1/12 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
We only accept one Wikipedia for one language. The fact that we still have
what is called the be-tarask.wikipedia.org is only because people were of
the opinion that we should retain the work that was done. Now I wonder what
more experts
Ray Saintonge hett schreven:
That's an outrageous assumption. Canadians who attend an international
sporting event between Americans and any other country will most often
cheer for the other country. Since 1959 Canada has never broken
diplomatic relations with Cuba, and has not
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Ray Saintonge hett schreven:
That's an outrageous assumption. Canadians who attend an international
sporting event between Americans and any other country will most often
cheer for the other country. Since 1959 Canada
As another historical note from Wikimania 2008 ...
In our session (of mine and Arria Belli) which focused on translation,
a girl who seemed to be Arabic but not known to me from where she came
asked me if there would be a possibility of āmmiyya Wikipedias. I
don't know which āmmiyya she cared for
Hoi,
The current policy is really objective; a request for a project will be
honoured when it complies with a set of prerequisites.
- is the language recognised as a language in the ISO-639-3
- is the language sufficiently unique
- is there a sufficiently large corpus in the incubator
2009/1/11 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
When you talk about reasonable decisions, what is it that makes something
reasonable? The fact that people like Mohamed consider Egyptian Arabic as
ignorant makes clear their position, but is that reasonable ? The language
committee has
Just an off topic, you do realize that me and the original poster of this
thread are different people, right? I do ask because you kind of mixed our
arguments in the last part of your post. The original poster probably has a
more 'vivid' choice of words than I usually do :) .
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009
So, there are two conclusions: (1) I may imagine the process which had
happened in relation to EA approval: no one made any serious objection
and it passed. (2) There are two LangCom members introduced better in
the linguistic issues, so the expertise level is raised and I think
that it will
Hoi,
This is not that strange. The time span for discussion is brief. Discussion
is relevant until the moment when it is decided that a language is eligible.
When a language is eligible, the people who work on a proposal have to
fulfill the rest of the requirements but do so in the understanding
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I think there should be not only computer-linguists experts like
Evertype in LangCom, but you desperately need people who have good
knowledge about culture, sociology and history of the main language
groups, or at
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I think there should be not only computer-linguists experts like
Evertype in LangCom, but you desperately need people who have good
knowledge
2009/1/11 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I think there should be not only computer-linguists experts like
Evertype in LangCom, but you
(oops, should be divergent)
2009/1/11 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
Some Arabic varieties are more different than others. I would support
a Wikipedia in Derja, for example (Maghrebi Arabic).
Mark
2009/1/11 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org:
Marcus Buck wrote:
In the Arabic world
Tim Starling hett schreven:
Marcus Buck wrote:
In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
is something like Latin. With the difference, that Latin fell out of use
to make place for the
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Tim Starling hett schreven:
Marcus Buck wrote:
In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
is something like Latin.
Hi all,
I would like to propose the dismantling of the language committee and
creating a new one (not including Gerard, of course).
Why?
Because it is chronically malfunctioning.
Manifested in:
# Gerard is forcing all his opinion, anything else is going nowhere.
# Other members don't really care
(This message is not an official message from the subcommittee, just
myself as a member.)
Hello Mohamed Magdy,
As a member of the language subcommittee, I am sorry you are
disappointed with our performance, but it is not true that its members
do not care.
The Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia was
I was against the idea of creating a Masry Wikipedia (there is a looong
thread where I brought it up here), *However* I am against deleting any
Wikipedia that has been created and picked up an active community,
regardless of how controversial it is. It is simply unfair to the people who
have
Muhammad Alsebaey shipmas...@gmail.com wrote:
- Gerard has been the *only* person from LangCom that I have seen reply
to any of the issues, his replies are selective, he refuses to answer
whatever he doesnt think is relevant to his argument and is in general very
aggressive, If the
I don´t think this is very fair. You can call Gerard a lot, but not really
agressive... He can be very enthusiast, committed, and very sure he is
right, and trying to persuade others, but agressive?
Anyway, I don't think a mailinglist (especially not this one) is a good
place to discuss *people*
Hi Jesse,
Thank you for the links, the last time I asked to look at those I was told
the whole mailing list was private and not open to the public, I think
opening this up is a huge step forward towards transparency.
I appreciate also your clarification about Gerard, I would have appreciated
him
I personally do not care about the nature of Gerard's character, he may be a
very nice person if I meet him in person ( next Wikimania maybe). I am just
refering to the way he conducted himself during the discussions on
languages. And yes, I strongly believe this was aggressive. I won't get into
Mohamed Magdy wrote:
(I heard that people were happy at Wikimania (Florence?)
because of that proposal but I fail to understand why the Egyptian people
there didn't express their opinion about it (it was in Egypt :!).
I was sitting next to an Egyptian VIP in the front row when the
So Based on the the Archives Jesse and Casey graciously provided the link
to, the only discussion about Masry I found was:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_subcommittee/Archives/2008-07#Wikipedia_Egyptian_Arabic
When I raised the issue of Masry on this mailing list, raising what I
thought
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Muhammad Alsebaey shipmas...@gmail.com wrote:
So Based on the the Archives Jesse and Casey graciously provided the link
to, the only discussion about Masry I found was:
Hoi,
This is a personal attack, an attack that is the result of discontent of the
way in which the policy of the language committee has been implemented.
So let me show where Mohammed is wrong. First of all, the language committee
is multiple people. Recently two high powered people were added to
Which creates the situation we are in, according to you, all members of the
language committee were explicitly asked to consider the issues that I and
others raised, but since only one out of the 10+ people responded, therefore
they must have all considered all the issues and have no comment, and
Hoi,
You are wrong. If one person had objected at the time, the proposal would
not have been made eligible.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/1/11 Muhammad Alsebaey shipmas...@gmail.com
Which creates the situation we are in, according to you, all members of
the
language committee were explicitly
Do you have a set time limit for people to respond in? a week? a month? and
what about the 4 inactive persons, how do you consider them inactive? what
if you had 7 inactive members out of 10 at a time and didnt know it, would
it still be a 'unanimous' decision?
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:02 PM,
Jimmy Wales hett schreven:
Mohamed Magdy wrote:
(I heard that people were happy at Wikimania (Florence?)
because of that proposal but I fail to understand why the Egyptian people
there didn't express their opinion about it (it was in Egypt :!).
I was sitting next to an Egyptian VIP
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote:
Mohamed Magdy wrote:
(I heard that people were happy at Wikimania (Florence?)
because of that proposal but I fail to understand why the Egyptian people
there didn't express their opinion about it (it was in Egypt :!).
2009/1/11 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org:
In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
is something like Latin. With the difference, that Latin fell out of use
to make place for the Romance
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
elisabeth bauer hett schreven:
2009/1/11 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org:
In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:46 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/11 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
Jimmy, just to remind you that people in one academic institution in
Belgrade laughed when you mentioned Bosnian language in 2005. But,
things are somewhat changed now.
Not really. There
Muhammad Alsebaey hett schreven:
The mission of the foundation is an educational one. So it would be
better to ask the uneducated masses of Egypt, whether they feel a gain
from a Wikipedia in their language or whether they stick with the
Latin Wikipedia.
Marcus Buck
It is
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