I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have
major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy
situation, where not only was a dangerous article - it suggested
homeopathy be used to treat life-threatening conditions - written by
homeopaths, with nary a word
Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done?
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have
major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy
situation,
Mind you, the problems remain,... I don't know, I'm flying to America
tomorrow, and have been running around for weeks trying to get stuff
done, while the UK was under the grip of the worst weather in 50
years.
I think that Citizendium is a toxic asset, and Wikipedia almost
certainly shouldn't
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done?
That's not really a discussion for this mailing list. I'm not sure CZ
would accept such an offer even if it were made, though. Accepting
help from
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:58:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote:
Ok, people wanting to run F/L/OSS/Wiki projects with me, send me a mail,
and I'll sort things out. If citizendium wants to run on my
system then I'll at
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done?
WMF has no control over wikia in any way shape or form. Wikia is
separate from us. now on the basis that wikia isn't picky about what
it hosts it would
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:58:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote:
Ok, people wanting to run F/L/OSS/Wiki projects with me, send me a mail,
and I'll sort things out. If citizendium wants to run on my
system then I'll at least give it a try, depending on if their bandwidth
requirements
are as low as
Hi Kim,
2010/12/13 Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:58:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote:
Ok, people wanting to run F/L/OSS/Wiki projects with me, send me a mail,
and I'll sort things out. If citizendium wants to run on my
system then I'll at least give it a try,
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:17:06PM -0800, phoebe ayers wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF
should even consider
We did that with Uncyclopedia. Wikimedia hosted it until Wikia was formed.
what?
Domas
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I was misinformed (wrong)
On Nov 16, 2010 2:17 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
We did that with Uncyclopedia. Wikimedia hosted it until Wikia was formed.
what?
Domas
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On 12 November 2010 14:57, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
I just cannot imagine that Larry Sanger could bear to see his beloved
Citizendium on a Wikimedia server, among all that child pornography he
is supposing there.
It's not his any more. (Part of their problem is that he
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:16 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 19:30, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Geni mentioned offering a level of support equivalent to our
smaller projects, which is most definitely *not* just providing ISP
services.
err beyond ISP services what
On 11/13/10, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF
should even consider getting involved.
Would not opposed or see this as a drama issue. After all it doesn't involve
editorial involvement or conflict of interests, it would be clear (and clear
to anyone in public) that no editorial influence would be implicated.
My only concern is on precedent - is this a good one (we help others in
On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a
period of 1 (one) year offering a level of support equivalent to our
smaller projects. After one year the citizendium community/Editorial
Council is expected to have
On 12 November 2010 08:12, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
My only concern is on precedent - is this a good one (we help others in the
free knowledge/education world) or a bad one (our bandwidth is open to be
used by any forum or website with a story to tell). Would perception and
reporting in
Hoi,
Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the
Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is that they
explicitly distance themselves from many of the basic corner stones of what
has made Wikipedia what it is.
Citizendium does not add anything to our own
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the
Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is that they
explicitly distance themselves from many of the basic corner
On 12 November 2010 10:13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:
grin I would even like the idea of us helping
encyclopaedia Brittanica in a similar way /grin
Thanks,
GerardM
Brittanica may or may not be in need of some help, I don't know. But the
Norwegian equivalent Store
2010/11/12 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the
Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is that they
explicitly distance
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a
period of 1 (one) year offering a level of support equivalent to our
smaller projects. After one
Hi all;
*In the case that Citizendium is going to close*, that I'm not sure yet, I
think that we have two debates. 1) Offering hosting to Citizendium 2)
Preserving the articles and images.
About the first question. I doubt WMF is going to offer hosting to
Citizendium. When Wikipedia passed
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On 12/11/2010 07:40, Magnus Manske wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a
period
Should we offer to host citizendium?
Sure, and not on a temporary basis either. Just don't put Larry back in
charge...
Of us, that is.
Fred
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In business I have found that the most successful companies are those
that reach out, build relationships with, and where possible help
others that are compatible. So this makes very strong sense to me.
The main thing would be making sure it is clear in the media that we
do so as an educational
On 12 November 2010 12:27, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Some prime time coverage of WMF CEO: As one of the worlds largest
volunteer educational charity movements in human numbers, we have
begun supporting other compatible movements in order to ensure a
healthy provision of many different
Hello,
I just cannot imagine that Larry Sanger could bear to see his beloved
Citizendium on a Wikimedia server, among all that child pornography he
is supposing there.
Kind regards
Ziko
2010/11/12 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
On 12 November 2010 12:27, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Some
On 12 November 2010 14:57, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:
I just cannot imagine that Larry Sanger could bear to see his beloved
Citizendium on a Wikimedia server, among all that child pornography he
is supposing there.
It's not his any more. (Part of their problem is that he
Point her to this thread? If it isn't needed this time it may be
salient not too far in future for other things.
FT2
On 11/12/10, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Probably we should ask Danese first, she'd have to make sure we had
the techs and resources on hand for the hosting!
In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:13:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jay...@gmail.com writes:
I agree with everything except whether or not they are in line with
our basic values. They may not align with Wikipedia's values, but as
a separate project they dont need to be; instead they need to fit
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:56 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Should we offer to host citizendium?
Nah, let them go to Wikia.
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2010/11/12 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/11/12 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Providing help to an organisation that
An'n 12.11.2010 08:56, hett geni schreven:
Should we offer to host citizendium?
Headlines of tomorrow: Wikipedia buys out competitor. Chucked-out
Editor-in-Chief Larry Sanger says: They try to defend their de-facto
information monopoly before their challengers become too strong. Or
something
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
If Wikimedians want to rescue them: donate money to them.
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On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:56 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Their current problem is that they have never had to think about this
stuff, ever, and suddenly find themselves with no support and
desperately gathering cash to pay their ridiculously overpriced
hosting ($700/mo).
There
On 12 November 2010 17:37, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
An'n 12.11.2010 08:56, hett geni schreven:
Should we offer to host citizendium?
Headlines of tomorrow: Wikipedia buys out competitor. Chucked-out
Editor-in-Chief Larry Sanger says: They try to defend their de-facto
information
On 12 November 2010 18:11, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no reason that site shouldn't run on a moderately
priced VPS. I'm talking in the $100/mo range, or less, even.
In theory yes. In practice there are organizational issues. The point
of offering temporary hosting is that it
On 12 November 2010 18:11, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:56 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Their current problem is that they have never had to think about this
stuff, ever, and suddenly find themselves with no support and
desperately gathering cash
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF
should even consider getting involved. To cover itself legally it
should have the agreement of Larry Sanger, the Tides Center, and at
least a majority of the
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF
should even consider getting involved. To cover itself legally it
should have the agreement of Larry Sanger, the Tides Center, and at
least a majority of the
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Oh, well what's the point of that? Might as well just give them
money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from
someone else anyway.
I suggest that we look for ways to help them.
That is not necessarily by doing their hosting, although i don' t oppose to
it.
There are other ways to help them, for example by using our network to find
other and cheaper hosting providers, helping them to find some friendly
organization that
geni writes:
We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a
period of 1 (one) year... After one year the citizendium community/Editorial
Council is expected to have sorted themselves out
Sage writes:
I'm one ocean late to this conversation, but I'll give a big +1
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Oh, well what's the point of that? Might as well just give them
money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from
someone else anyway.
In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:06:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jay...@gmail.com writes:
WMF are running a huge fundraising appeal now. We can easily spare
$2100 in order to pay for their current hosting arrangements for the
next three months, which should give them sufficient time to get
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:05 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
WMF are running a huge fundraising appeal now. We can easily spare
$2100 in order to pay for their current hosting arrangements for the
next three
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
So we giving another $1300 to Milton Beychok quickly, wrapped in
sufficient legalese that we know it goes towards the hosting.
Then he and others can sleep easy, and focus on more important things.
I'd say for the WMF to
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF
should even consider getting involved. To cover itself legally it
should have the agreement
On 12 November 2010 19:30, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Oh, well what's the point of that? Might as well just give them
money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from
someone else anyway.
The point of offering services rather than money is that we can
control the
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote:
We did that with Uncyclopedia. Wikimedia hosted it until Wikia was formed.
And we're talking Uncyclopedia here. It's satirical value had...value.
Not quite as funny anymore.
I would prefer CZ to use Wikia,
Oh certainly, Jussi-Ville, I think it would be the noble thing to do. In
theory. When it comes to practice, I'm not so sure.
Uncyclopedia's model happened to work out and it got passed along. But that
was six years ago. In 2010 (almost 2011), what is the impact aside from
Doing the Right
Should we offer to host citizendium?
Okey get over the instinctive reaction.
==The background==
Those who have read this week's signpost will be aware that
citizendium is in significant financial difficulties. If not see the
end of the briefly section:
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