Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-19 Thread Kim Bruning
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:35:24AM +1100, Tim Starling wrote: On 13/12/11 01:36, Teofilo wrote: Let us stop asking users to individually tag every wrong picture! Let us have some developers create a tool to find wrong pictures and rotate them back to their original orientation! We could

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-19 Thread Tim Starling
On 20/12/11 12:50, Kim Bruning wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:35:24AM +1100, Tim Starling wrote: On 13/12/11 01:36, Teofilo wrote: Let us stop asking users to individually tag every wrong picture! Let us have some developers create a tool to find wrong pictures and rotate them back to

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-13 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM, David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote: What effect would a less aggressive tone have had?  Would you have been more likely to convince your audience?  less likely to alienate people? It's a fair point. I think part of the problem is that people are

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-13 Thread Tim Starling
On 13/12/11 02:55, David Gerard wrote: On 12 December 2011 15:26, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: It's been a requested feature for a while, Someone finally got around to writing it (I believe it needed the Improved metadata handling backend first) and implementing it, It wasn't a

[Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Teofilo
The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects 1 - Bug or feature ? It is a bug. 2 - The human bug 3 - The technical bug 4 - Unexhaustive list of related talks 1 - Bug or feature ? It is a bug. Look at

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: 1 - Bug or feature ? It is a bug. ... snip ... It is somehow intentional, because it seems that the devs have suddenly decided that the exif orientation tag should be taken into account, while in the past users used had to

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Teofilo
The unrepentant attitude expressed above by K. Peachey increases the need for clear excuses from the Wikimedia Foundation, expressing clearly that something has gone wrong in the decision process, and that the people who think the relationship between users-community and developers the way K.

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 December 2011 15:26, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: It's been a requested feature for a while, Someone finally got around to writing it (I believe it needed the Improved metadata handling backend first) and implementing it, It wasn't a sudden oh lets write this and enable it in

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Teofilo
I am unable to find precise answers to your questions. But the scope of the phenomenon can be somehow understood with the following data which hint that today, the demand for rotation service has increased about 56-fold compared to June 2011. But I am unable to say how long the present high demand

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 12 December 2011 15:26, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing much went wrong in the planning of this feature, Really?! How is not having realised that this new feature would break 1000's of images and preventing it not something going wrong in the planning? (And yes, I mean break -

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:55 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were previously wrongly rotated and were fixed by the feature? * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were previously correctly rotated and were messed up by the

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 12 December 2011 18:18, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:55 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were previously wrongly rotated and were fixed by the feature? * How many existing uploads, used on the

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 December 2011 18:18, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Technically, nothing was messed up by the feature. Rather, the software previously did not take EXIF rotation into account, and some images had incorrect EXIF rotation information to begin with. Those images are now shown in an

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Michael Peel
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com On 12 December 2011 18:18, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Technically, nothing was messed up by the feature. Rather, the software previously did not take EXIF rotation into account, and some images had incorrect EXIF rotation information to

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:12 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: What was messed up was the presentation of images that were already displayed correctly. Well, technically, they were displayed incorrectly. ;-) The image told the software Please rotate me, and the software didn't. But

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The best place for further discussion of this issue is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Rotation And, lots more discussions here as well:

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread David Richfield
A thought to those posting in this thread (especially some of the earlier posts): What effect would a less aggressive tone have had? Would you have been more likely to convince your audience? less likely to alienate people? This list often has too high a heat:light ratio. You can help fix